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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 12:55 PM
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I have a 2000 Z28 cp with the monsoon stereo in it...have a back seat speaker on the driver's side that is blown (not the ones in the cargo area)...I bought a pair of speakers from another person on ls1 tech and when I got them the speakers looked the same except that the speakers that were sent has a set of wires coming off each side of the speaker that go to the plug in. And the ones in my car have just one set of wires that go to the plug in. Are these speakers that I just got going to be compatable with my stereo??? If so what do I need to do to make them work? The pair of speakers that I was sent came out of a 2001 trans am. I am a nuts and bolts kind a guy and don't know alot about the stereo system. Any help would be greatly apreciated.
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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Don't know how to explain exactly cause I have heard so many things about them, but they will not work if they came from Firebird since they use a 10 speaker setup compared to out 6 Speaker setup (8 if you count the tweeters built into the front speakers). I'm not tooo sure but I have read a lot posts about that. The front speakers have 2 sets of wires. One going to your head unit for the tweeters and the other set going back to your amp. I don't think they existing one you got will work unless there is some way of wiring both plugins together. The backseat speakers in the Camaro are purely for low purposes. I think the Firebird had some mids built in or something.
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the speakers you have purchased are dual voice coil and will work , here's what you'll have to do : get a nine volt battery and note the + and - terminals on the battery ,you'll see two pairs of small terminals on opposite sides of the speaker in sperate black plug ends, using a short length of speaker wire, touch one terminal to the plus side of the battery and one terminal to the neg side of the battery , if the speaker cone moves out then make a note what terminal matched to the battery terminals , if the cone moves inward ,reverse the leads. it's important that you do this to keep the speaker "in phase " with the rest of the system.. i'd mark the terminals on the matching plus side with red sharpie pen just for reference. do the same thing on the other side . now , that you've done that , put a jumper from the first - voice coil terminal to the second voice coil + terminal , this is called "series" wiring .on the left side, the brown wire will go to the 1st + voice lead ,the yellow will go to the 2nd - voice coil lead . repeat the same procedure on the right side , but the dark blue will go to the 1st voice coil + terminal , light blue will go to the second - voice coil terminal . it sounds confusing as hell , but will work properly as long as you keep the voice coils in phase.i really don't why i am offering you any help after your warm welcome in "your " southern section forum(after all , i'm just a stupid inbred tennesee redneck WITH 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN CAR AUDIO ) but maybe you might just think before you start with the name calling and bashing next time. the information i just gave you is correct and accurate , ask anyone here who knows anything about car audio and i do believe you owe me and the rest of the "INBREDS" an apology . bash me again , i won't help you anymore.
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 02:05 PM
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lighten up dude, if youtake anything that is said on the southern section seriously you are greatly mistaken..thought that you had seen that by all the atlanta guys posting responces when you got uptight...if ya take notice all the guys that talk $hit on the southern section from the ATL hang out and eat wings and drink beer every wednesday nite ...maybe ya ought to come down to the ATL and partake sometime...we are a good bunch a guys..anyway back 2 the topic..the wires coming off the speakers in the camaro are green and the ones coming off the trans am speakers are red..both have wires that have black lines on them which I assume mark them as ground..if I splice the like wires 2gether your saying that the t/a speakers with 4 wires can be spliced 2gether to make 2 wires that can go into the connector and plug into the wiring harness???




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the speakers you have purchased are dual voice coil and will work , here's what you'll have to do : get a nine volt battery and note the + and - terminals on the battery ,you'll see two pairs of small terminals on opposite sides of the speaker in sperate black plug ends, using a short length of speaker wire, touch one terminal to the plus side of the battery and one terminal to the neg side of the battery , if the speaker cone moves out then make a note what terminal matched to the battery terminals , if the cone moves inward ,reverse the leads. it's important that you do this to keep the speaker "in phase " with the rest of the system.. i'd mark the terminals on the matching plus side with red sharpie pen just for reference. do the same thing on the other side . now , that you've done that , put a jumper from the first - voice coil terminal to the second voice coil + terminal , this is called "series" wiring .on the left side, the brown wire will go to the 1st + voice lead ,the yellow will go to the 2nd - voice coil lead . repeat the same procedure on the right side , but the dark blue will go to the 1st voice coil + terminal , light blue will go to the second - voice coil terminal . it sounds confusing as hell , but will work properly as long as you keep the voice coils in phase.i really don't why i am offering you any help after your warm welcome in "your " southern section forum(after all , i'm just a stupid inbred tennesee redneck WITH 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN CAR AUDIO ) but maybe you might just think before you start with the name calling and bashing next time. the information i just gave you is correct and accurate , ask anyone here who knows anything about car audio and i do believe you owe me and the rest of the "INBREDS" an apology . bash me again , i won't help you anymore.
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yeah but you gotta do it exactly the way i told ya because if you connect all the positives together and the negatives together you'll have what's called paralell wiring and most likely will cause your factory amp to shut off . paralelling them will give you 2 ohms impedance while the way i told you will give you 8 ohms and will make your amp a lot happier . it sounds complicated but it's really not and you'll pretty much understand it after the first . the really important thing is to make the cone move out or away from the magnet on the speaker with battery and yes , your reds should be positive but verify with the battery . you're gonna jumper two of the wires on the speaker itself , and use the remaining two to connect to the camaro's harness .1+ goes to camaro harness. 1- goes to 2nd +. 2nd - goes to camaro's harness .you'll jumper just like that . if you have anymore probs i'll be back on tommorrow and i will truly be glad to help . try this first and it will work.
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yeah but you gotta do it exactly the way i told ya because if you connect all the positives together and the negatives together you'll have what's called paralell wiring and most likely will cause your factory amp to shut off . paralelling them will give you 2 ohms impedance while the way i told you will give you 8 ohms and will make your amp a lot happier . it sounds complicated but it's really not and you'll pretty much understand it after the first . the really important thing is to make the cone move out or away from the magnet on the speaker with battery and yes , your reds should be positive but verify with the battery . you're gonna jumper two of the wires on the speaker itself , and use the remaining two to connect to the camaro's harness .1+ goes to camaro harness. 1- goes to 2nd +. 2nd - goes to camaro's harness .you'll jumper just like that . if you have anymore probs i'll be back on tommorrow and i will truly be glad to help . try this first and it will work.
I will take some pics and email em 2 ya then my dumb a$$ might make heads or tails out what ur tellin me ..me and electricty aint the best of friends..if its mechanical I got no probs..thanks for the info but I still am a little fuzzy on what ur tellin me
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yeah but you gotta do it exactly the way i told ya because if you connect all the positives together and the negatives together you'll have what's called paralell wiring and most likely will cause your factory amp to shut off . paralelling them will give you 2 ohms impedance while the way i told you will give you 8 ohms and will make your amp a lot happier . it sounds complicated but it's really not and you'll pretty much understand it after the first . the really important thing is to make the cone move out or away from the magnet on the speaker with battery and yes , your reds should be positive but verify with the battery . you're gonna jumper two of the wires on the speaker itself , and use the remaining two to connect to the camaro's harness .1+ goes to camaro harness. 1- goes to 2nd +. 2nd - goes to camaro's harness .you'll jumper just like that . if you have anymore probs i'll be back on tommorrow and i will truly be glad to help . try this first and it will work.
Whoa! You want to check that again? The Monsoon amp expects 2-ohm subs (the sail panel speakers). Hooking them up for 8-ohms will reduce output to one quarter. The original SVC speakers in the Camaro are 2-ohm and the Firebird speakers are 4-ohm DVC wired in parallel to produce a 2-ohm load.
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Whoa! You want to check that again? The Monsoon amp expects 2-ohm subs (the sail panel speakers). Hooking them up for 8-ohms will reduce output to one quarter. The original SVC speakers in the Camaro are 2-ohm and the Firebird speakers are 4-ohm DVC wired in parallel to produce a 2-ohm load.

What do I need to do to get the 4 ohm speakers to work in my camaro...these are the ones in the back seat..if you are sitting in the back seat they are sholder high..not back in the cargo area...how do I make them work...or will they work in my car??
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ok , you can try that , if it shuts down then you'll have to series them. to get the two ohms white bird stated , connect both the positives to the positive lead in the camaro harness and both the negative leads to the negative lead in the camaro harness , that will give you two ohms . still the same principle with the battery testing it .
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The 9v battery trick is really handy when you don't have any other point of reference. However, in this case we are blessed with a factory service manual.

The Firebird DVC subs have a four-pin connector. When looking at the connector with the locking tab up, the two top wires are the positives and the two lower wires are the negatives. For the two-pin connector on the car's wiring harness, the wire colors may be blue or green depending on year, model and which side of the car but there will always be one dark colored wire and one light colored wire (they may have white or black stripes as well). The dark colored wire is always the positive and the light colored wire is always the negative. So connecting Firebird subs in a Camaro is simply a matter of wiring the two upper connections on the speaker to the dark colored wire in the harness and the two lower speaker connections to the light colored wire.

Now, before anyone gets their shorts in a knot - that general rule applies only to the woofers/subwoofers in an F-body Monsoon system. It is not necessarily true for other cars or systems and it doesn't apply to the tweeters (which are powered by the head unit rather than the amplifier).
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 03:33 PM
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Whitebird00 u r da man!!...thanks alot 4 the help it is greatly apreciated..
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