Installing Remote Start on M6
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From: Jacksonville, FL (originally from Toronto Canada)
A manual doesn't have a neutral safety switch - only automatics have those. Manual transmissions will start in any gear as long as the clutch is depressed.
You probably don't need a switch anyway. Be sure to get a good remote starter system that has an RPM monitor (e.g. DEI models) and always set your parking brake. (You could use the parking brake switch just for additional safety.) Then if you happen to try to remote start with the car in gear it will just rock a bit before the remote starter gives up because it can't get the RPMs up.
People will tell you all kinds of urban legends about manual cars with remote start running across parking lots and chasing old ladies into the street but it doesn't happen on a properly installed system. I've had them in my last three cars and have never had the car do anything more than rock in place if I forget to leave it in neutral. Think about it - do you think that your starter motor alone is powerful enough to turn over the engine and move the car with the parking brake engaged?
You probably don't need a switch anyway. Be sure to get a good remote starter system that has an RPM monitor (e.g. DEI models) and always set your parking brake. (You could use the parking brake switch just for additional safety.) Then if you happen to try to remote start with the car in gear it will just rock a bit before the remote starter gives up because it can't get the RPMs up.
People will tell you all kinds of urban legends about manual cars with remote start running across parking lots and chasing old ladies into the street but it doesn't happen on a properly installed system. I've had them in my last three cars and have never had the car do anything more than rock in place if I forget to leave it in neutral. Think about it - do you think that your starter motor alone is powerful enough to turn over the engine and move the car with the parking brake engaged?
look under the dash after your remove the 2 panels on the drivers side, and put something around the push-button switch that is tripped when the clutch pedal is depressed. Then it is "bypassed" since it is always tripped. Then all you have to do is make sure you parking break works good for safety.
[QUOTE=WhiteBird00]
People will tell you all kinds of urban legends about manual cars with remote start running across parking lots and chasing old ladies into the street but it doesn't happen on a properly installed system. I've had them in my last three cars and have never had the car do anything more than rock in place if I forget to leave it in neutral. QUOTE]
are u kidding, Ive known someone whos had their DEI viper remote start into a cop car. What does your motor do when it cant find an idle when its cold? Your ECM cranks up the RPM's in order to keep it alive.
People will tell you all kinds of urban legends about manual cars with remote start running across parking lots and chasing old ladies into the street but it doesn't happen on a properly installed system. I've had them in my last three cars and have never had the car do anything more than rock in place if I forget to leave it in neutral. QUOTE]
are u kidding, Ive known someone whos had their DEI viper remote start into a cop car. What does your motor do when it cant find an idle when its cold? Your ECM cranks up the RPM's in order to keep it alive.
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From: Jacksonville, FL (originally from Toronto Canada)
Originally Posted by ultraz
are u kidding, Ive known someone whos had their DEI viper remote start into a cop car. What does your motor do when it cant find an idle when its cold? Your ECM cranks up the RPM's in order to keep it alive.
The starter motor will not move a car against a properly adjusted and set parking brake. For that matter, even the car's engine at idle won't move the car with the parking brake set. Try it. Let the clutch out at idle with the parking brake on - the car will stall (don't dump the clutch or the car will lurch a little).
The DEI remote starter systems (and some other brands as well) are designed to give up trying to start the car if the RPMs don't reach a certain minimum level in a couple of seconds. The PCM is still in "start" mode at that point and will not try to vary the idle RPM.
As I said before, I've had three different cars with manual transmissions and remote starters. I have deliberately tried to remote start each of them in gear (not to mention doing it by mistake a couple of times) and not once did any of them move other than rocking a little.
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From: Jacksonville, FL (originally from Toronto Canada)
Originally Posted by Sgt. Spuds
Who knows. My dad did that **** to me last time I let him use my car, left it in first when he parked it, super close to the house btw, and then I went out hte next morning and it rocked into the sideing of the house. ******* dumbest **** I've ever seen him do, I was so pissed off... Hes never ******* takeing my car anywhere again..
Sorry, don't mean to laugh but we oldtimers were always taught to park a manual car in first or reverse. It was one of those things that driving instructors drilled into you and you couldn't pass your license test unless you did it. I guess old habits die hard. ![[__--MUD--__]'s Avatar](data:image/svg+xml;utf8,<svg xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2000/svg' viewBox='0 0 50 50'><circle class='avatar-circle-default' fill='%23e95942' cx='25px' cy='25px' r='20px'></circle><text class='avatar-text-default' x='49%' y='53%' fill='white' text-anchor='middle' alignment-baseline='middle'>[</text></svg>)
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From: Jacksonville, FL (originally from Toronto Canada)
When I got my car the parking brake didn't hold very well and the brake handle would pull up to an almost vertical position. I took it to the dealer a couple of times and they told me that it is self-adjusting (when you back up and step on the brake) and there wasn't anything else they could do. Finally I took it in and complained about how far I had to pull up the handle rather than the brake not holding. Suddenly they found a way to fix it! Now the handle only comes up a few inches and I don't think I could drive off with it engaged even if I wanted to. As I said before, a properly adjusted parking brake will hold your car against just about anything.
If you are going to do this on a M6 car, make sure you are the only one that will ever drive it.
***THIS IS NOT AN URBAN LEGEND***
I used to own an 02 mustang v6. I had the remote start put on the car. Well one weekend, my wife and i went to my parents house about 2 hours away.
Her dad needed to move the car and knew it had an alarm on it. It was raining and he decided to move it. After he got it moved, he pressed what he thought was the alarm button on the car and he didn't hear anything. Remote had like 4 buttons on it. So he started pressing any button, well low and behold the car started up and ended up in a 3 foot ditch about half full of water. Also he did not engage the parking brake and left it in first gear.
He didn't know how to work the alarm and accidently activated the remote start on it.
So just advice from experience, make sure you are the only one that drives it, or make sure the person you lend the car to knows how to work it.
***THIS IS NOT AN URBAN LEGEND***
I used to own an 02 mustang v6. I had the remote start put on the car. Well one weekend, my wife and i went to my parents house about 2 hours away.
Her dad needed to move the car and knew it had an alarm on it. It was raining and he decided to move it. After he got it moved, he pressed what he thought was the alarm button on the car and he didn't hear anything. Remote had like 4 buttons on it. So he started pressing any button, well low and behold the car started up and ended up in a 3 foot ditch about half full of water. Also he did not engage the parking brake and left it in first gear.
He didn't know how to work the alarm and accidently activated the remote start on it.
So just advice from experience, make sure you are the only one that drives it, or make sure the person you lend the car to knows how to work it.
Originally Posted by WhiteBird00
When I got my car the parking brake didn't hold very well and the brake handle would pull up to an almost vertical position. I took it to the dealer a couple of times and they told me that it is self-adjusting (when you back up and step on the brake) and there wasn't anything else they could do. Finally I took it in and complained about how far I had to pull up the handle rather than the brake not holding. Suddenly they found a way to fix it! Now the handle only comes up a few inches and I don't think I could drive off with it engaged even if I wanted to. As I said before, a properly adjusted parking brake will hold your car against just about anything.
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Originally Posted by shouldaboughttheZ
you can adjust the parking brake. It is designed like the shoe design. It has the wheel at the bottom for adjustment.
Originally Posted by WhiteBird00
That's what I figured. I guess the dealer just didn't want to deal with it or else their mechanic was lazy.
Staging Lane
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Originally Posted by shouldaboughttheZ
I found it after reading alot here that it was not adjustable.
also, no shop will install a remote start on an M6... sucks...
I always wondered if you could install something in the shifter for it to detect you being in neutral...
does the computer know what gear you are in on an M6?
this is 50% of the reason I got an A4... the other 50% being rush-hour traffic.
Originally Posted by ScrapMaker
I always wondered if you could install something in the shifter for it to detect you being in neutral...
does the computer know what gear you are in on an M6?
does the computer know what gear you are in on an M6?
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The trans doesn't have a neutral safety switch? If you're in cruise control and pull it out of gear, the cruise stays on? Most cars have a NSS for just this purpose. The NSS shuts the CC off if the trans goes into neutral.
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Originally Posted by CajunCC
The trans doesn't have a neutral safety switch? If you're in cruise control and pull it out of gear, the cruise stays on? Most cars have a NSS for just this purpose. The NSS shuts the CC off if the trans goes into neutral.
Nope, if it pops out of gear while the CC is on, the engine will race away without load
Happened to me back in the day when I had a bent shift fork that kept popping out of gear
When I posted it on LS1.com, nobody believed me until someone tried it and saw for themself (I think it was nineball)
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