Yet another speaker topic...
Yet another speaker topic... Hey guys, I am buying another Camaro and going to be putting a little bit of money in the stereo system. I plan on getting the Alpine 9856 H/U, along with Alpine SPS-17C2 speakers for the front doors and I will have a stealth box with an elemental design 10" sub.
My question is, what do you think I should do with the sail panel speakers? Should I get some replacement midbasses or should I put something else back there? I listen to a lot of rock and some rap as well. I didn't know if I should put something with some bass in the sails or just let the sub take care of the bass. What do you all think?
My question is, what do you think I should do with the sail panel speakers? Should I get some replacement midbasses or should I put something else back there? I listen to a lot of rock and some rap as well. I didn't know if I should put something with some bass in the sails or just let the sub take care of the bass. What do you all think?
Anything you put in the sail panel area will simply do midbass, not actual bass. Since the speakers up front should adequately cover midbass, adding speakers in the back will simply muddy up the staging and imaging of the rest of the system.
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well...it's all personal taste - depends if you don't think the sub is enough, get some eu700s to help fill in more..... or you could go midbass only (harder obviously) if you need more of that, or even midrange if you feel the need.... I would just stay away from full range speakers there.
Sounds like you may be best holding off with anything there for now until you get your current system together and decided then if you need more bass, mids, etc...
Sounds like you may be best holding off with anything there for now until you get your current system together and decided then if you need more bass, mids, etc...
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Originally Posted by Element
Anything you put in the sail panel area will simply do midbass, not actual bass.
Originally Posted by fredmr39
Why is that? Do the signals there actually have the lowest frequencies filtered out?? Or are you just saying that the lowest frequencies just won't sound good in the sails?
It's also a bad position, because you've got both speakers mounted directly across from each other, pointing directly into the middle of the cabin. I'd imagine there would be some cancellation going on due to that mounting setup, but without playing around, I can't say for sure.
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Originally Posted by Element
Most speakers sized to fit in there don't have enough low-end extension to hit what "bass frequencies" are typically defined as - lower than 100hz. It might hit some of the upper range, but not with any authority.
It's also a bad position, because you've got both speakers mounted directly across from each other, pointing directly into the middle of the cabin. I'd imagine there would be some cancellation going on due to that mounting setup, but without playing around, I can't say for sure.
It's also a bad position, because you've got both speakers mounted directly across from each other, pointing directly into the middle of the cabin. I'd imagine there would be some cancellation going on due to that mounting setup, but without playing around, I can't say for sure.
I just wasn't sure if there was something to suggest that the lowest 20-60hz or something like that were filtered out or something ...
I do know though that the eu700s frequency response on the drivers is 20Hz~500Hz, and that's a 6.5" sub.
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Originally Posted by fredmr39
I agree the setup may not be the best.
I just wasn't sure if there was something to suggest that the lowest 20-60hz or something like that were filtered out or something ...
I do know though that the eu700s frequency response on the drivers is 20Hz~500Hz, and that's a 6.5" sub.
I just wasn't sure if there was something to suggest that the lowest 20-60hz or something like that were filtered out or something ...
I do know though that the eu700s frequency response on the drivers is 20Hz~500Hz, and that's a 6.5" sub.
Holy crap!
Fred, Those D4's go as low as 20Hz?!
man, I can't wait till I get to install them!
I'm not really sure but from what I can tell, I don't think the sail wires from the oem amp will have alot of mid bass freqs going through it no matter what speaker is connected to those sail amp wires.
But, I could be wrong.
BT
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I forgot to mention that I will probably disconnect the speakers in the hatch and the front door speakers and the sail panels will be powered by a seperate amp. I won't be using the monsoon system.
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Originally Posted by B T
Those D4's go as low as 20Hz?!
Originally Posted by fredmr39
Yes - I have not done any actual testing or messing around with how WELL they respond down there, but they DO produce frequencies as low as 20 Hz. The freq. response I posted was told to me directly from an Elemental Designs engineer if you wonder where the figures came from.
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Originally Posted by Element
I don't doubt they'll go that low, simply not with as much authority as a larger sub would. Below ~45hz, bass starts to get "quieter" and with a smaller driver - and thus much less air movement - you'll have a good bit less audible bass with a 6.5" compared to something like an 8" or 10".
They probably won't, but I'll take the "headroom" anyway.
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Why not Alpines 17C2's all around? If you're ditching the Monsoon system entirely, it's just a matter of whether you want speakers back there or not. You are not limited to using midbasses like the stock system had.
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Why not Alpines 17C2's all around? If you're ditching the Monsoon system entirely, it's just a matter of whether you want speakers back there or not. You are not limited to using midbasses like the stock system had.
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Originally Posted by 97MysticZ
Thats kinda what I was asking. Do you think the one sub will provide enough bass? The midbass or midrange or whatever you call it is what I'm wondering about. I know the sub will handle the deep loud bass.
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This is kind of a hard question to give advice for, as it all comes down to your listening tastes.
Some folks like the live concert feel, where staging is important because you want to hear the music coming from in front of you. Most of those folks would probably tell you putting anything in the sails is a waste of money.
Others, like myself, like to be immersed in their music and would not be happy with anything less than full ranged speakers in both the doors and the sails.
As for whether your 10" subwoofer will provide enough bass, it depends on how much bass you want. You'll just have to get it installed and see for yourself.
My advice is go ahead and install what you have now and see how it sounds to you. Assuming you are not using the existing wiring (I highly suggest you don't use it), I'd run wiring for the sail speakers just in cae you want to add them later. If your installing a 2 channel amp for the doors, you might want to consider installing the wiring to add second amplifier also.
Some folks like the live concert feel, where staging is important because you want to hear the music coming from in front of you. Most of those folks would probably tell you putting anything in the sails is a waste of money.
Others, like myself, like to be immersed in their music and would not be happy with anything less than full ranged speakers in both the doors and the sails.
As for whether your 10" subwoofer will provide enough bass, it depends on how much bass you want. You'll just have to get it installed and see for yourself.
My advice is go ahead and install what you have now and see how it sounds to you. Assuming you are not using the existing wiring (I highly suggest you don't use it), I'd run wiring for the sail speakers just in cae you want to add them later. If your installing a 2 channel amp for the doors, you might want to consider installing the wiring to add second amplifier also.
Thanks. I think I'm going to install the front speakers and the sub first and then kinda go from there to see how it sounds and what I want. I will probably end up going with midrange speakers I'm thinking...
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Originally Posted by 97MysticZ
Thanks. I think I'm going to install the front speakers and the sub first and then kinda go from there to see how it sounds and what I want. I will probably end up going with midrange speakers I'm thinking...
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Originally Posted by 97MysticZ
Are the Alpine SPS-17C2 speakers considered midrange speakers? If they aren't, what are a good set of midrange speakers?
300Hz – 5000Hz , or around there, is considered to be "mid-range"