Sub Vs. Sub.. lets hear it..
Originally Posted by Phil8616
For a small cabin and from a small enclosure, yes it does sound like 2 10s or maybe 2 12s. Read the Subthump website and tell me what sub they recommend the most for their enclosure. 
Plus for the money I spent and the weight and usage of the trunk I saved, ill take my lonely 10 and continue to get compliments. 
What kind of subs do you have btw? I wouldnt doubt they are better than my sub, but he is asking for one to fit in a stealthbox, putting a 12 in their is almost pointless. Getting the T-top box is a better since you can put two and get around 1cf each I believe, but the downside is the weight and cost.
Plus for the money I spent and the weight and usage of the trunk I saved, ill take my lonely 10 and continue to get compliments. What kind of subs do you have btw? I wouldnt doubt they are better than my sub, but he is asking for one to fit in a stealthbox, putting a 12 in their is almost pointless. Getting the T-top box is a better since you can put two and get around 1cf each I believe, but the downside is the weight and cost.
Steve is a dealer for them. Of course he's going to recommend them.
There's other speakers that sound good in his box too. I can think of 4 others off hand. 
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MTX MSX1004 Recommended sealed enclosure: .75 CuFt.
Thiele-Small paramaters:
Diamond Audio: D310D2 Recommended sealed enclosure: .75 CuFt.
Elemental Designs 11Kv.2
Recommended sealed enclosure: .5CuFt.
T/S Parameters:
Qts: .28
Qes: .31
Qms: 2.7
Fs: 24.8 Hz
Re: 7.0
Vas: 66 L
Mms: 116 g
Bl: 19 T*m
SPL: 87.1 dB
Sd: 350 cm^2
Xmax: 15.1 mm
Voice Coil: 50 mm
Magnet Width: 5.700"
Cutout Diameter: 9.125"
Mounting Depth: 5.000"
Weight: 13 lb
Total Height: 6.375"
Displacement: .07 ft^3
Outside Diameter: 10.250"
Personally, I'd recommend Elemental Designs. I have one (the old flat-cone style) and it rocks. it is a 12" in a custom made stealthbox with a total airspace of about .8 cubic feet without the sub installed. After the sub is installed it is more like .6 cubic feet. I am feeding it 500w RMS from an old-school Fosgate mono amp, and it slams. I have had comments from people saying that it sounds like a pair of 12"s or 15"s, and they are shocked when they see the hatch. For an explanation of T/S parameters and what they mean, see THIS.
EDIT: howierd42: Thanks for the info.
Thiele-Small paramaters:
Fs:
47.00 Hz
Qms: 4.95
Cms: 0.072 mm/N
Mms: 159.31 g
Rms: 9.50 kg/s
Vas: 0.445 ft³ (12.59 liters)
Xmax: 0.650 in (16.51 mm)
D: 8.346 in (212.00 mm)
Sd: 54.71 in² (352.99 cm²)
Vd: 35.57 in³ (0.58 liters)
Qes: 0.79
Re: 2.97 Ω
Bl: 13.29 Tm
Prms: 400 Watts
Qts: 0.681
ηο: 0.160 %
SPLo: 84.24 dB
SPL 2.83V/1m: 88.44 dB
Diamond Audio: D310D2 Recommended sealed enclosure: .75 CuFt.
Parameter (unit)
SPL (dB) 84
Z ( ) {series} 4Re ( ) {series} 3.2
Qms 6.9
Qes 0.605
Qts 0.557
Fs (Hz) 40.39
Vas (L) 14
Cms (mm/N) 0.091
Mms (g) 170
Sd (m2) 0.033
BL (T*M) 15.1
Xmax (mm) 11
Pwr(W)NOM/MAX 400/800
Elemental Designs 11Kv.2
Recommended sealed enclosure: .5CuFt.
T/S Parameters:
Qts: .28
Qes: .31
Qms: 2.7
Fs: 24.8 Hz
Re: 7.0
Vas: 66 L
Mms: 116 g
Bl: 19 T*m
SPL: 87.1 dB
Sd: 350 cm^2
Xmax: 15.1 mm
Voice Coil: 50 mm
Magnet Width: 5.700"
Cutout Diameter: 9.125"
Mounting Depth: 5.000"
Weight: 13 lb
Total Height: 6.375"
Displacement: .07 ft^3
Outside Diameter: 10.250"
Personally, I'd recommend Elemental Designs. I have one (the old flat-cone style) and it rocks. it is a 12" in a custom made stealthbox with a total airspace of about .8 cubic feet without the sub installed. After the sub is installed it is more like .6 cubic feet. I am feeding it 500w RMS from an old-school Fosgate mono amp, and it slams. I have had comments from people saying that it sounds like a pair of 12"s or 15"s, and they are shocked when they see the hatch. For an explanation of T/S parameters and what they mean, see THIS.
EDIT: howierd42: Thanks for the info.
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Without T/S it would be impossible to build an optimum enclosure for any speaker, I don't care what car you put it in. It is incomprehensible to me that most installers today think you can just build a box that fits and throw any speaker you want into it and expect it to perform. I am not trying to start a debate or a diatribe here but the manufacturers do give you those specs for a reason.
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Originally Posted by howierd42
Without T/S it would be impossible to build an optimum enclosure for any speaker, I don't care what car you put it in. It is incomprehensible to me that most installers today think you can just build a box that fits and throw any speaker you want into it and expect it to perform. I am not trying to start a debate or a diatribe here but the manufacturers do give you those specs for a reason.
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This is just too funny...
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Originally Posted by Snootch
That's true, I've seen so many cars with really nice equipment, but using premade enclosures (i.e. Q-logic, etc.) and the subs sound like ***. Usually you can get away with a larger or smaller enclosure size (10%) on a sealed box, but a ported box has to be tuned right (port length, diameter, etc.) to sound good. One thing I really hate is Best Buy selling the premade bandpass boxes.
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