Sub Vs. Sub.. lets hear it..
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Sub Vs. Sub.. lets hear it.. Well i made my decisions... its between the Diamond Audio D310D2... or the MTX MSX1004.. these are the specs.. which one do u think will be better for the stealthbox?
Diamond Audio..
Subwoofer Specifications:
* Subwoofer Size 10"
* Impedance 2 ohms
* Dual Voice Coil Yes
* Peak Power Handling 800 watts
* RMS Power Handling 400 watts
* Woofer Surround Rubber
* Woofer Composition N/A
* Sealed Box Volume N/A
* Ported Box Volume N/A
* Sensitivity 84 dB
* Frequency Response 28 - 250Hz
* Xmax (millimeters) N/A
* Top Mount Depth 5.6"
* Cutout Diameter 9.2"
* Warranty 1-year SE
MTX..
* Single 4 ohms MXS 10" High Performance Super Subwoofer
* 400 watts RMS power handling
* Nitrile Butadiene Rubber Woofer Surround
* Mica-filled polypropylene Woofer Composition
* 1.75" Dual 4 ohms Voice Coils
* Tinsel leads woven in the spider
* Heavy duty chrome push terminals for easy speaker wire connection
* Spider Plateau Venting technology which ensures a cooler, more reliable subwoofer
* Magnet weight: 94 oz.
* Sealed Box Volume: 0.75 cubic ft.
* Ported Box Volume: 1.45 cubic ft.
* Top Mount Depth: 6-11/16"
* Cutout Diameter: 9-1/8"
* Priced per speaker
Diamond Audio..
Subwoofer Specifications:
* Subwoofer Size 10"
* Impedance 2 ohms
* Dual Voice Coil Yes
* Peak Power Handling 800 watts
* RMS Power Handling 400 watts
* Woofer Surround Rubber
* Woofer Composition N/A
* Sealed Box Volume N/A
* Ported Box Volume N/A
* Sensitivity 84 dB
* Frequency Response 28 - 250Hz
* Xmax (millimeters) N/A
* Top Mount Depth 5.6"
* Cutout Diameter 9.2"
* Warranty 1-year SE
MTX..
* Single 4 ohms MXS 10" High Performance Super Subwoofer
* 400 watts RMS power handling
* Nitrile Butadiene Rubber Woofer Surround
* Mica-filled polypropylene Woofer Composition
* 1.75" Dual 4 ohms Voice Coils
* Tinsel leads woven in the spider
* Heavy duty chrome push terminals for easy speaker wire connection
* Spider Plateau Venting technology which ensures a cooler, more reliable subwoofer
* Magnet weight: 94 oz.
* Sealed Box Volume: 0.75 cubic ft.
* Ported Box Volume: 1.45 cubic ft.
* Top Mount Depth: 6-11/16"
* Cutout Diameter: 9-1/8"
* Priced per speaker
Originally Posted by MikeySS2000x
CI?... T/S?... its the stealthbox from subthump by the way..
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Not really enough info listed to sufficiently compare the pair here. The sensitivity of the Diamond suggests it will take a TON of power to hear that thing, which is why the dual 2ohm voice coils I'm sure. What is the frequency response of the MTX?
Budget wise, the MTX would be the way to go. Good quality subs (when I was using them in the '80s anyway -- not sure of their rep now) for not a lot of cash.
Sound quality wise, I would take the Diamonds, if you can afford them.
Budget wise, the MTX would be the way to go. Good quality subs (when I was using them in the '80s anyway -- not sure of their rep now) for not a lot of cash.
Sound quality wise, I would take the Diamonds, if you can afford them.
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I know its not one of the choices, but I have to recommend it from personal experience. Look into Elemental Designs subwoofers, they are designed to fit in that small amount of volume that a stealthbox is limited too. They also trick all my friends into thinking I have 2 10s or 2 12s in my car and they also have a FIVE YEAR warranty, try finding something to match that. Just my advice though, but between the two Id go with Diamond Audio, unless your stressing a budget. It would also help to tell us what amp you plan on running, GL though and post pics when you get it installed.
Originally Posted by waterbug1999
I meant was, how many cubic feet is that "stealthbox" you are referring to.. If that stealth box (the one that fits in the driver side corner) only has .6 cubic feet, then you get a sub that needs 1 cubic foot, its going to sound like ****.
Originally Posted by Phil8616
I know its not one of the choices, but I have to recommend it from personal experience. Look into Elemental Designs subwoofers, they are designed to fit in that small amount of volume that a stealthbox is limited too. They also trick all my friends into thinking I have 2 10s or 2 12s in my car and they also have a FIVE YEAR warranty, try finding something to match that. Just my advice though, but between the two Id go with Diamond Audio, unless your stressing a budget. It would also help to tell us what amp you plan on running, GL though and post pics when you get it installed.
I guarantee your 10 sounds no where remotely close to my 2 12s
As far as the speaker, I'd pick Diamond over MTX any day. But opening the field up to other options, there are a few others I'd pick first.
Originally Posted by dragonrage
Would need T/S specs to give you a really good answer, but in general, I'd take Diamond over MTX practically any day
Originally Posted by 95bat
All of your friends must not have heard a nice system with 2 10s or 2 12s to believe a single 10 eD will perform the same in a stealth box.
I guarantee your 10 sounds no where remotely close to my 2 12s
As far as the speaker, I'd pick Diamond over MTX any day. But opening the field up to other options, there are a few others I'd pick first.
I guarantee your 10 sounds no where remotely close to my 2 12s
As far as the speaker, I'd pick Diamond over MTX any day. But opening the field up to other options, there are a few others I'd pick first.
Plus for the money I spent and the weight and usage of the trunk I saved, ill take my lonely 10 and continue to get compliments. 
What kind of subs do you have btw? I wouldnt doubt they are better than my sub, but he is asking for one to fit in a stealthbox, putting a 12 in their is almost pointless. Getting the T-top box is a better since you can put two and get around 1cf each I believe, but the downside is the weight and cost.
Last edited by Phil8616; Mar 20, 2007 at 04:17 PM.
No Sensitivity rating on the MTX? I've never had good luck w/ those.
Diamond Audio has a good rep of almost high end audio...
Infinity has really good specs. That's why I bought my Kappa Perfect 12's.
aluminum cone
high-roll butyl-rubber surround
massive cast-aluminum basket
dual 4-ohm voice coils
suitable for free-air use (handles up to 175 watts in free-air applications)
recommended power range 75-350 watts RMS (175 watts per coil)
peak power handling 1,400 watts
frequency response 18-200 Hz
sensitivity 96 dB
Diamond Audio has a good rep of almost high end audio...
Infinity has really good specs. That's why I bought my Kappa Perfect 12's.
aluminum cone
high-roll butyl-rubber surround
massive cast-aluminum basket
dual 4-ohm voice coils
suitable for free-air use (handles up to 175 watts in free-air applications)
recommended power range 75-350 watts RMS (175 watts per coil)
peak power handling 1,400 watts
frequency response 18-200 Hz
sensitivity 96 dB
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You can always spot specs that are a lie when they claim both good frequency extension (especially low-end) and high sensitivity.
And I'd call it basically impossible to get down to 18Hz in a small sealed box.
And I'd call it basically impossible to get down to 18Hz in a small sealed box.
T/S specs are pretty much like bench racing cars. You can't tell what a part will do for your car until you get to the track, there are too many variables involved. The same is true with car audio, the T/S parameters will give you a general idea, but you never know what it will sound like until you have it installed in your car. There are too many variables involved in car audio as well.
Originally Posted by Phil8616
For a small cabin and from a small enclosure, yes it does sound like 2 10s or maybe 2 12s. Read the Subthump website and tell me what sub they recommend the most for their enclosure. Plus for the money I spent and the weight and usage of the trunk I saved, ill take my lonely 10 and continue to get compliments.
What kind of subs do you have btw? I wouldnt doubt they are better than my sub, but he is asking for one to fit in a stealthbox, putting a 12 in their is almost pointless. Getting the T-top box is a better since you can put two and get around 1cf each I believe, but the downside is the weight and cost.
Plus for the money I spent and the weight and usage of the trunk I saved, ill take my lonely 10 and continue to get compliments. What kind of subs do you have btw? I wouldnt doubt they are better than my sub, but he is asking for one to fit in a stealthbox, putting a 12 in their is almost pointless. Getting the T-top box is a better since you can put two and get around 1cf each I believe, but the downside is the weight and cost.
I have 2 TC Sounds db-500s in a 3.4 cF box ported to 32 hz. I'm pretty close to doing a hair trick
By the way... my car is already slow, so I don't care about adding weight 
And my box costed me about $28, so cost was not a downside for me LOL.
Originally Posted by dragonrage
I'd say T/S specs can be used to directly compare speakers (assuming they're in the same location and stuff) but not to accurately predict the actual output of them.
Obviously you know a speaker low a low Fs, high Xmax, high sensitivity, and high power handling will sound better than a speaker that is exactly the opposite, the T/S parameters will tell you all you need to know there. But sometimes there are just subtle differences that can create huge improvements in your system that you wouldn't have known unless you bought the speakers and installed them