PrelateBishop

So I want to lower my ride as to eliminate a good bit of the fender gap. My car presently is wearing the following tire sizes on OEM wheels:

• Front - 245/45R18
• Rear - 275/40R18

What I'd like to do is install a set of H&R Sport Springs and a set of MightyMousespacers. What I specifically want to know is, will the widened rear stance have enough clearance without rubbing the fender? Do I need to worry about any fender rubbing on the front?

Thanks for the help.

MIGHTYMOUSE

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tough one, good luck though

the front shouldn't rub, the rear you kinda between a rock and a hard place since putting wider tires on. there is tons of room to the inside, not so much to the outside.

heres a pic of mine when it was still on stock height tires.. yours would be balooning about 1/2" past these give or take.

http://fastrides.com/photos/mm/image.../original.aspx
http://fastrides.com/photos/mm/image.../original.aspx

fyi this is lower than what hr will put you at, not sure how much different tho

my vote is get rid of the wider tires, they aren't doing you a bit of good

jj_z28

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Mine rubbed bad. Went back to 245s in the rear.

wcryan

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slight rubbing here, but no MM mod....... fender roller= your friend

GhettoTy

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I'm running 245/40's up front and 275/35's out back with the H&R's and MM spacers, don't rub to bad, only big bumps.

BudRacing

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Fender rolling will do wonders for wider tires. I bought mine with rolled fenders and 295's on the rear. No rubbing whatsoever.

PrelateBishop

From a performance perspective I'm sure they're doing either very little or nothing, but it does look cool. I'd hate to toss a perfectly good set of tires (well, two anyway) if I don't have to. If this turns out to be the best option, then I'll wait to lower the car until I need a new set of rubber.

Assuming you had 275's out back, H&R springs, and MM spacers?

I'm totally down with having the fenders rolled, altho don't really wanna do it myself. I haven't had the best of luck finding a shop in the Denver metro area to do it.

You make it sound almost tolerable. However, my OCD wouldn't be able to stand any rubbing.

Seems like rolling the fender is the best option here. If you're running 295's, my 275's should tuck nicely. You have any pics of your setup?

wes8398

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I have 2 recent threads that you'd probably like to read (and see pictures). One is 'h&r's lowered rear too much' and the other is titled something to the effect of 'H&R's + Linea corse wheels = rubbing'. Have a look.

BudRacing

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My car is in the body shop til the end of the week, but I should have some pictures this weekend. I'll show you the clearances.

I don't think MM spacers have been installed though. It has a slight rake to it, but it looks pretty good.

ColeGraham

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i am on H&Rs with MM Spacers, sitting on GM Accessory with 245/45 in front and 275/40 in rear.i had a minor rubbing issues when i frist did th springs and spacer. but this was totally my fault. i over tighten the spacer giving me an extra 1/8" drop on the right rear. fixed that issue, and rolled the fenders, and havent had an issue with it since.

wes8398

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Do you have the tool, or'd you roll 'em via baseball bat?

PrelateBishop

Do you have any pics of the rolled fenders? How did the paint hold up? Did you pay to have it done or do it yourself?

ColeGraham

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I went redneck with it...since I need the car back up fast since is was my DD at the time...i used at rubber mallet and a terry cloth towel. <- Dead serious too...just hit the fender lip with a the mallet and the cloth was wrapped to the mallet head. took about 20 to 25 minutes for each side.

paint it held up fine, only area that got damaged was the part where the wheel was catching on the lip.

i will take some picture of the lip when i get home.

wes8398

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WOW, that takes ***** man!! lol Interested to see the pics!

PrelateBishop

Assuming you got the end result you wanted, kudos!!

wes8398

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An update incase anyone's watching this for an outcome, or incase anyone comes across it in a search....

After trailing arms and the soon-to-be-known 'edmod' (3/8 rubber homemade 'washer' under rear spring perches to boost up the 'too low' H&R's), everything is awesome! No more 'reverse rake', no more fender rubbing on tires, no more wheels rubbing on trailing arms, and no more crappy feeling cut OEM springs.

I'm still going to roll the fenders, but I'm no longer in any hurry to do so.

tony tone

since no one has ever seen my car (lol).... i has a staggered, but slammed on coilovers, not HRs

360 forged
F 20x9 245/30/20 Nitto Invo
R 20x10.5 285/25/20 Nitto Invo





yes fenders are aggressively rolled as you can see how flush the rear sits up against the fender.

wes8398

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That looks amazing Tony. Isn't it you that spent like 6 grand on your setup to make that work though? Not really apples to apples there.

tweeter81

Prelate, I had my V's fenders rolled at Jim's Exotic Bodies in Lafayette, CO back when I lived in the Metro Area in 2005-2007. I don't know if they are still open, but you could give them a try. They only charged like $20 per corner.

Also, I would strongly recommend going with the GC Coilover Kit. The H&R springs are what, $250 for the set, for an additional $250 you can have a huge range of adjustability and then you will never have to worry about rubbing. Yeah, the GC makes some noise (you will have to add at least a 1/4" of washers to the top of the rear shocks so that they can be tightened down enough to snug up the rear shock and not allow a thunking sound, but that is a really cheap and minor fix), but any downsides are well worth the adjustability. If you can afford $250 for just springs, you ought to be able to afford $500 total for the entire kit, and you even get to choose your spring rates. (I would go with 600 lb/in front and 650 lb/in rear).

The huge problem with lowering springs only is that if they are too stiff, you are stuck with that spring rate. If they are as soft as stock, you will get almost zero performance increase out of them. If the ride is not right, you are stuck with that too. I would never take that chance, I like to be able to adjust until I'm happy.

wes8398

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Hell, if we're doubling expenses so easily, then we should all just be spending twice what the GC's are worth and getting 'proper' coilovers like KW's etc. Haha JK
I see where you're coming from, but double the price isn't within everyone's idea of a reasonable price for a given mod. H&R and Eibach have been making lowering springs for a long time, and I think they're pretty decent at giving the best compromise between drivability and performance at a relatively low cost. Since I've compared both, proper lowering springs are leaps and bounds better than cut OEM springs at least.