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Old 07-10-2012, 02:11 PM
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I've been experimenting with my car with just the rev table. A friend just bought a car with a stock 5.3 with a GM hot cam in it. He didn't get the programming software with it, so I told him I'd do it for him.

Problem is his car has a MAP sensor on it and I don't have a clue what to do.

Help lol
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I asked same thing and
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Sooo.... the numbers on the left in the vertical line are degrees added and the numbers across the top on the horizonal are vacuum inches ?
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NO! You are correct on the vertical axis. The horz is not vacuum as we call it, but pressure (Pounds per Square Inch, Absolute). PSIA starts at 0# PSIA = 29.8" vacuum and goes to 14.7# PSIA = 0" vacuum. There are numerous conversion charts on the 'net...
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Well that's confusing lol
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O = atmospheric pressure

As vacuum goes up....PSIA goes down.
So your max vacuum advance will be on the left and at WOT vacuum is at or near O....your advance will be lowest going towards the right (as it was explained to me).

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Ok, I'll check it out, thanks
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Originally Posted by streetknight2
Well that's confusing lol
Agreed! Really, how hard would have been to change the units to show vacuum? Or at least give users the option to pick between PSIA, KPA, and vacuum by toggling a button in the software...
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Agreed! Really, how hard would have been to change the units to show vacuum? Or at least give users the option to pick between PSIA, KPA, and vacuum by toggling a button in the software...
It would take 2 MAP sensors to do that accurately, one to measure manifold pressure and a second to measure atmospheric pressure.

Vacuum is the pressure difference between two areas. The lower the pressure in the manifold, the stronger the vacuum. Not that hard.
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Originally Posted by Pop N Wood
It would take 2 MAP sensors to do that accurately, one to measure manifold pressure and a second to measure atmospheric pressure.

Vacuum is the pressure difference between two areas. The lower the pressure in the manifold, the stronger the vacuum. Not that hard.
Errr, I don't think so. The MAP signal is just a 0-5v signal that's being interpreted by the software. That's any MAP from a 1 BAR on up, they're all 0-5v output. The software only tells the user what "units" correspond to the voltage it sees...
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Originally Posted by S10xGN
Errr, I don't think so. The MAP signal is just a 0-5v signal that's being interpreted by the software. That's any MAP from a 1 BAR on up, they're all 0-5v output. The software only tells the user what "units" correspond to the voltage it sees...
Unfortunately it is more than just a units thing. A vacuum gauge has manifold pressure on one side and atmospheric pressure on the other. It measures the pressure difference between the two.

MAP measures manifold absolute pressure, hence the acronym. Put a constant pressure inside the manifold and the MAP sensor will output a constant voltage. Change the outside barometric pressure and the MAP signal will not change, however the vacuum gauge reading will. So if you use 2 MAP sensors and take the difference you can accurately measure vacuum.

And yes, absolute barometric pressure can vary quite a bit with changes in temperature and altitude.
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Originally Posted by Pop N Wood
Unfortunately it is more than just a units thing. A vacuum gauge has manifold pressure on one side and atmospheric pressure on the other. It measures the pressure difference between the two.

MAP measures manifold absolute pressure, hence the acronym. Put a constant pressure inside the manifold and the MAP sensor will output a constant voltage. Change the outside barometric pressure and the MAP signal will not change, however the vacuum gauge reading will. So if you use 2 MAP sensors and take the difference you can accurately measure vacuum.

And yes, absolute barometric pressure can vary quite a bit with changes in temperature and altitude.
All I can do here is "agree to disagree"...



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