Please help w/60fts!!!
07-26-2009, 11:13 PM
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Please help w/60fts!!! OK well i went to test & tune friday to try out the new set up. I have torque arm -2.5, qa1s 2 front 5 rears, Hoosier qtp @ 14 psi. The DA was around 600ft. I was launching @ 3000 rpm and was lifting both wheels 
which was pretty cool, but my 60fts are not that much better compared to the tci 3000 (1.63 60fts) i had. really disappointed, was expecting to gain 4-5 tenths with the Bogart's, Hoosiers, SS4000 and qa1s....need some advice. BTW the race weight is around 3650lbs + or - 50lbs with me in it.
1st run
60ft 1.62
330ft 4.72
1/8 7.37
1kft 9.67
1/4 11.58 @ 119.85
2nd run
60ft 1.59
330ft 4.67
1/8 7.31
1kft 9.60
1/4 11.52 @ 120.00
which was pretty cool, but my 60fts are not that much better compared to the tci 3000 (1.63 60fts) i had. really disappointed, was expecting to gain 4-5 tenths with the Bogart's, Hoosiers, SS4000 and qa1s....need some advice. BTW the race weight is around 3650lbs + or - 50lbs with me in it.1st run
60ft 1.62
330ft 4.72
1/8 7.37
1kft 9.67
1/4 11.58 @ 119.85
2nd run
60ft 1.59
330ft 4.67
1/8 7.31
1kft 9.60
1/4 11.52 @ 120.00
07-26-2009, 11:55 PM
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Yeah front sway bar is off, no drag bar yet. who makes a decently priced drag bar? I've done plenty of research and i think i'm going in the right direction...
07-27-2009, 04:56 AM
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You have to think to yourself and figure out what changes you can make. We can sit here on the net and try to help you all you want, but only you know your car. Next time you hit the strip do this.
Take a notebook, or make a spreadsheet on a laptop with you--
Run # 60ft time // Torque Arm Setting // Launch RPM // RR Shock // RL Shock // FR Shock // FL Shock // Tire Pressures
Once you start getting data you will know where the car needs to be, and what changes had either a positive or negative effect on the car.
All depends how serious you want to get.
07-27-2009, 08:32 AM
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Your not doing too bad, considering the cam choice. What I would suggest is some video of the car. The car maybe slamming on the rear and while it is nice your popping the wheels, the car could be nosing.
You may want to play with shock adjustment and like said, look for a solid rear sway. TRZ sells a stock style but is a real sway bar like a wolfe.
Ultimately it maybe an issue of race weight and with that said, start looking for things that can be easily removed and put back in. That will really help the launch.
You may want to play with shock adjustment and like said, look for a solid rear sway. TRZ sells a stock style but is a real sway bar like a wolfe.
Ultimately it maybe an issue of race weight and with that said, start looking for things that can be easily removed and put back in. That will really help the launch.
07-27-2009, 10:26 PM
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Wolfe's having a pretty good sale right now. How is the car launching? Is it twisting up or what? Sounds like it's leaving OK if you're pulling both wheels. What does the rear do on a more stiff shock setting? If the track will hold, get it as firm as possible ( there's no way to say that without sounding like a perv.)
You have to think to yourself and figure out what changes you can make. We can sit here on the net and try to help you all you want, but only you know your car. Next time you hit the strip do this.
Take a notebook, or make a spreadsheet on a laptop with you--
Run # 60ft time // Torque Arm Setting // Launch RPM // RR Shock // RL Shock // FR Shock // FL Shock // Tire Pressures
Once you start getting data you will know where the car needs to be, and what changes had either a positive or negative effect on the car.
All depends how serious you want to get.
You have to think to yourself and figure out what changes you can make. We can sit here on the net and try to help you all you want, but only you know your car. Next time you hit the strip do this.
Take a notebook, or make a spreadsheet on a laptop with you--
Run # 60ft time // Torque Arm Setting // Launch RPM // RR Shock // RL Shock // FR Shock // FL Shock // Tire Pressures
Once you start getting data you will know where the car needs to be, and what changes had either a positive or negative effect on the car.
All depends how serious you want to get.
Your not doing too bad, considering the cam choice. What I would suggest is some video of the car. The car maybe slamming on the rear and while it is nice your popping the wheels, the car could be nosing.
You may want to play with shock adjustment and like said, look for a solid rear sway. TRZ sells a stock style but is a real sway bar like a wolfe.
Ultimately it maybe an issue of race weight and with that said, start looking for things that can be easily removed and put back in. That will really help the launch.
You may want to play with shock adjustment and like said, look for a solid rear sway. TRZ sells a stock style but is a real sway bar like a wolfe.
Ultimately it maybe an issue of race weight and with that said, start looking for things that can be easily removed and put back in. That will really help the launch.
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07-27-2009, 10:47 PM
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i think it was launching pretty good. Didn't notice a whole lot of twisting...it did squat more then i thought it would. i did not try a stiffer setting because i didn't want drop my tire psi down any lower...i guess i should of. Thank for the advise...def. will start keeping record of my runs and settings.
i think one of my buddies recorded some of my runs, will ask for the vids if he did. Weight reduction is becoming a problem because i take her out on the weekends but will look into it like you said that are easy to put back. btw what do you mean by nosing? thanks
i think one of my buddies recorded some of my runs, will ask for the vids if he did. Weight reduction is becoming a problem because i take her out on the weekends but will look into it like you said that are easy to put back. btw what do you mean by nosing? thanks
We think your car is hooking hard but then falling on its face bogging then come back a live. If so this means your unloading a drag bar will help that alot and weight off the front of the car and maybe a click more in the rear shocks. helped mine big time
07-27-2009, 11:05 PM
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Darn that sucks! well that means more mods...like thats a bad thing. will def. look into the wolfe and trz drag bars and go a click firmer on the rears for next time. thanks
07-28-2009, 04:42 AM
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Whats up bro! Here's the best vids I got of you launching with my crappy digi cam, hope these help some!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1_zh4f2cBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fBr0pHP_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj4ZDKvrkX0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1_zh4f2cBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fBr0pHP_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj4ZDKvrkX0
07-28-2009, 06:40 PM
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if the car is squatting it's not moving foward. Stiffen up that rear. Sounds like you've got that heavy car to transfer weight so Nice job on that!
Dragbar is a must. I use the Spohn.
Dragbar is a must. I use the Spohn.
07-29-2009, 12:24 AM
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Thanks for posting the vids 01ws666. I looked at the Spohn drag sway bar and it look really nice, just might pick up one this weekend...don't get me wrong the Wolfe and TRZ drag bars are really nice too but my car is a strip/street car...well for now till i can afford another ws6 lol. Thanks all you guys for you help. Anybody else can throw their .02 cents in too.
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07-29-2009, 01:50 PM
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Are you spinning? It didn't look like it in the vid..Seems like you should be coming out harder. I have a lot less power & pulled a best of 1.56 60' & do mostly low 1.6's. I have the same converter but a heck of a lot less HP..1.60 60' on this run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7L7XSd1LXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7L7XSd1LXs
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07-29-2009, 10:51 PM
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no spinning, dead hooking. she might be squatting more then it should. i gain 2 tenths which aint bad but should of gain more for the mods i did. im gonna try the spohn drag bar, a click firmer on the rears and see if the track holds it if not then i'll drop the tire psi.
07-30-2009, 02:58 AM
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Before you spend money on parts, why not try to make adjustments with what you have? My car goes low 1.3's all day long with a stock rear sway bar and a $30 air bag.
Stiffen up the rears until it spins off the line, then loosen them up a click, loosen the fronts up, and remove the front sway bar.
Play with how the car wants launched. Try all different settings. Stab it from idle, then 1400-1500 RPM. Then get up on the convertor to the point it tries to push through the brakes.(this is how mine likes to go)
Stiffen up the rears until it spins off the line, then loosen them up a click, loosen the fronts up, and remove the front sway bar.
Play with how the car wants launched. Try all different settings. Stab it from idle, then 1400-1500 RPM. Then get up on the convertor to the point it tries to push through the brakes.(this is how mine likes to go)
07-30-2009, 11:00 PM
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I was thinking of doing air bags too for fine tuning after the drag bar. def need to play with the qa1 settings and launch rpms. the tci 3000 liked to launch around 2500 rpm and was cutting low 1.6 60s with no problems, trapping 118-119mph.