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Old 04-16-2005, 04:25 PM
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Default Decent ET, but what's up with my 60 ft.?

Ran the car last night with the new cam (T-ReX) and more weight reduction. Got her down to 3105 with me in it. Anyhow, DA wasnt that great (+355), but surely surprised myself with my ETs. Best run was a 10.76 @ 124.46 on a 1.49 60 ft. My 60 fts. for the night were 1.49, 1.49, 1.50, 1.51, and 1.51. What is up with that? For the ET, you would expect it to be 60 footing better than that. Best 60 ft. with the old cam (C2) was a 1.46 with -1800 DA. Anyhow, this cam definately has a lot more mid and top end power, but I think something is going wrong out of the hole? Any ideas or suggestions? Any help is much appreciate, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Dragaholic
Ran the car last night with the new cam (T-ReX) and more weight reduction. Got her down to 3105 with me in it. Anyhow, DA wasnt that great (+355), but surely surprised myself with my ETs. Best run was a 10.76 @ 124.46 on a 1.49 60 ft. My 60 fts. for the night were 1.49, 1.49, 1.50, 1.51, and 1.51. What is up with that? For the ET, you would expect it to be 60 footing better than that. Best 60 ft. with the old cam (C2) was a 1.46 with -1800 DA. Anyhow, this cam definately has a lot more mid and top end power, but I think something is going wrong out of the hole? Any ideas or suggestions? Any help is much appreciate, thanks.

DAMN!! We would kill for a DA like that! we are at sea level but usually sit at 600-3000 DA!
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+355 is considered ok in our side of the town. This past winter I raced in -1800 DA at its best. Was in the negatives pretty much the entire winter.
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what suspension components do you have?

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BMR-
k-member
upper and lower a-arms
relocation brackets

Hal-
275 lb. front springs
R series front shocks
rear shocks

Spohn-
adjustable torque arm (chromoly w/poly bushing)
lower control arms (chromoly w/poly/spherical bushings)
panhard bar (chromoly w/poly/spherical bushing)
tubular sub-frame connectors (chromoly)
1" rear swaybar (chromoly)
aftermarket rear end swaybar kit

Airlift airbag in right rear spring (15 psi)

12 psi hot in ET Drags
3 on front shocks
5 on rear shock
-2 pinion angle
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try decreasing your pinion angle lower. Maybe -1.5 or less as your suspension is pretty built. maybe there is not a whole lot of slop going on to counter out the -2. Did you also try playing with psi in the tires? With 3100 lb race weight on a 4.10 and 4400 stall i would think you would be leaving the line a lot harder.

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How old are your slicks? How many passes on them?

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Not sure how old they are, but maybe 50 miles on them and 20 passes. They have indicators on them and they arent quite down to the indention yet.
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Any other suggestions? I figured with my weight, power, converter, and gear, I would be cutting consistent mid 1.4s with the weather and low 1.4s in the winter. Would love to see some high 1.3s, whats wrong?
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Is it hooking then unloading and spinning? Or does it feel like a dead hook and doesn't spin?
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To go along with Coach...

The indicators might be good on the slicks but the side walls could be shot. Do you ever switch the slicks side to side???
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Originally Posted by LS1SSII
Do you ever switch the slicks side to side???
What do you mean? How would the side walls be shot?
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What do you mean? How would the side walls be shot?

The sidewalls could be shot because of setting on the car to long. Do you put your car up on jack stands when you are not racing or does it just set on the slick all the time?

Rotate the slicks. Take the one on the right side and switch it to the left side. Then take the one you took off the left side and put it on the right side. I do this about every 20 to 25 passes.

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The side wall is taking a very hard hit on the launch. If you do not rotate the tires side to side you can wear the sidewalls out faster than normal. This happens because the slick will have the tendancy to hit the same spot over and over again. Talk to some one that runs a fast heads up class and they should agree that the sidewalls will wear out much faster than the contact part of the slick.

Driving with the slicks on the street will also punish the sidewalls because they are acting as a shock absorber.

If the sidewall is dead, the slick will not function properly.
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Originally Posted by LS1SSII
The side wall is taking a very hard hit on the launch. If you do not rotate the tires side to side you can wear the sidewalls out faster than normal. This happens because the slick will have the tendancy to hit the same spot over and over again. Talk to some one that runs a fast heads up class and they should agree that the sidewalls will wear out much faster than the contact part of the slick.

Driving with the slicks on the street will also punish the sidewalls because they are acting as a shock absorber.

If the sidewall is dead, the slick will not function properly.
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The car does sit a lot and I dont put it on jackstand. I usually just leave it the way it is. The air seeps out after a while and will be flat before I know it. Its flat right now. I will swap the tires, but is it too late? How many passes does a ET Drag last?
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I'd say it depends on how abused the ties are. Each set is going to be different. I only use mine for one season and replace them. I run a bracket car that will 60' any where from 1.46 to 1.51 depending on how the track is. I would say I will put on anywhere from 100 to 150 passes per season. I rotate them side to side after every race and keep the car off the ground as much as possible. If your car sat over the winter on the slicks your running...they might be worn out.

How was the track the night you ran? A good gauge of this is to find someone who is a track regular and ask them how they are running that day. Sometimes the track will go away and a car with a small tire will be very inconsistant.

Last Sunday when I raced the sun kept popping in and out... The track temp was going from 110 to 95 degrees. If it was at 95 the car would go 1.48...if it was at 110 the car would go 1.51. It was not a lot of fun trying to guess the dial-in.

Oh well, Hope that helps some????
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When you say swap the tires, do you mean take them to the tire shop and have the tires swapped on the rims or just simply swap both the rim and the tire from one side to the other? I know the tires arent directional.
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Please read my above post. I told ya how to do it.

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Ok...let's say it is the slicks. How much could it be hurting me because I would think the car should be 60 footing in the low 1.4s possibly high 1.3s. I know the new cam shifted the rpm band about 300 rpms, do you think I need a more aggressive torque converter? Maybe steeper gear and bigger tire? Something just doest add up to me.



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