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Old 03-20-2014, 06:01 PM
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I am wondering how far you guys have pushed your Siemen Deka 80lbs injectors.

Duty cycle info, what pressure your using, and pulse width info would be appreciated. As well as the more basic I made this much with this setup.
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Base 58psi rail pressure, 10psi of boost and 138mph trap in a 3500lb car.
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What do you hope to get out of them?
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Its a forged 347 with a S475 1.32 ar

It will run on pump gas with meth injection if necessary.

I would like to make enough power to do 5.9x's in the 1/8th.

Car weighs 3440 with me in it and a quarter tank of gas.
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Fuel pump will be the determining factor. You could make 1100 HP with those injectors if you pushed 90 psi of fuel pressure
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I doubt they would open with that much fuel pressure, not unless you were running enough boost to help them open. Even then the effect of the intake pressure to aid in opening an injector is not much.

Nevertheless, I am running triple 255s.
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Originally Posted by My6speedZ
I doubt they would open with that much fuel pressure, not unless you were running enough boost to help them open. Even then the effect of the intake pressure to aid in opening an injector is not much.

Nevertheless, I am running triple 255s.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...-time-out.html

Deka 83 lb injectors on E70. 70-75 PSI base pressure, so he would be around 90 PSI in boost. Running mid 8s.

If he can do it with the extra fuel demands of the ethanol, I'm sure you could manage decent numbers on gas.
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On my mustang, running e85, 100psi fuel pressure with 24lbs boost, 80lb siemen deka injectors, 140% duty cycle, 9.7 at 159mph on street tires(mud and snow) at 3340lbs. That turbo won't make anywhere near enough to max them out on gas!
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8.81@156 @3900lbs

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Originally Posted by skinnies
On my mustang, running e85, 100psi fuel pressure with 24lbs boost, 80lb siemen deka injectors, 140% duty cycle, 9.7 at 159mph on street tires(mud and snow) at 3340lbs. That turbo won't make anywhere near enough to max them out on gas!
Explain something to me, how is it possible for an injector to be energized and spraying longer than the amount of time the valve is open? It is not physically possible for an injector to go over %100 duty cycle.

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100% duty cycle does not mean the injectors are maxed out. Do some research on them.
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Originally Posted by My6speedZ
Its a forged 347 with a S475 1.32 ar

It will run on pump gas with meth injection if necessary.

I would like to make enough power to do 5.9x's in the 1/8th.

Car weighs 3440 with me in it and a quarter tank of gas.
Originally Posted by ls1_chevelle
The Vid above is my truck and its out of injector. 1/8 on that was 5.68@127 Your goals listed are reasonable to expect from these injectors. You will have them at a comfortable duty cycle to reach your goal.

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Originally Posted by HexenLord
100% duty cycle does not mean the injectors are maxed out. Do some research on them.
Obviously it doesn't mean they are maxed, but you cant command more fuel into a cylinder once the valve is closed.
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Originally Posted by Black X
The Vid above is my truck and its out of injector. 1/8 on that was 5.68@127 Your goals listed are reasonable to expect from these injectors. You will have them at a comfortable duty cycle to reach your goal.

Thanks for the imput
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Is there a place to get manufactures info for these? I remembered seeing a spreadsheet for the 60s a long time ago. Is everyone just working up from scratch?
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Originally Posted by My6speedZ
Obviously it doesn't mean they are maxed, but you cant command more fuel into a cylinder once the valve is closed.

Going over 100% duty cycle doesn't mean that the valve is closed, either. Your injectors don't know what your cam profile is and don't judge duty cycle accordingly.
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Originally Posted by HexenLord
Going over 100% duty cycle doesn't mean that the valve is closed, either. Your injectors don't know what your cam profile is and don't judge duty cycle accordingly.
lol, fail

do you realize what injector duty cyle even is??


you only have X amount of time between 4 cycles of an individual cylinder (2 rotations) at a given RPM

IDC the percentage of the injector is open compared to that amount of time between 2 revolutions and given rpm

you cant have injector duty cycle of more than 100%, they are static at that point
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lol at cam whatever or another

at 8000rpm you only have 15 milliseconds between 2 engine rotations

you realize with a typical 230* cam you have under 5 miliseconds that the valve is open with usable lift



at 8000rpm lets say you have a raw injection time of 10milliseconds..... that is an IDC of 66.7%..... 10/15
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Originally Posted by rotary1307cc
lol at cam whatever or another

at 8000rpm you only have 15 milliseconds between 2 engine rotations

you realize with a typical 230* cam you have under 5 miliseconds that the valve is open with usable lift



at 8000rpm lets say you have a raw injection time of 10milliseconds..... that is an IDC of 66.7%..... 10/15
Haha, that's why I was asking the other guy what he meant. I realize he is running E85 and that might change things considering the different properties regarding energy. I still didn't see how he could be running 100psi and %140
duty cycle. Unless that is his witty way of telling us hes
spraying "a crap load of fuel", I almost thought he was being sarcastic.

I know I can run these the math is there, I just wanted to post and see if there was some characteristic to these injectors specifically in the real world I need to take into account.

Things such as after a certain pressure they like to stick closed. Feedback of that nature, stuff that only comes out from having used them.
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This may help a little.

http://injector-rehab.com/shop/idc.html


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