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Old 11-16-2004, 04:36 PM
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Hi John,

Here are a couple pics of the supercharger project, these pictures are very “in Progress”, and several items are not hooked up yet. The supercharger is physically mounted in place, and I have enough clearance under the cowl, that the windshield wipers are not going to be affected, and will operate properly. I am currently trying to resolve the air intake situation, I was hoping to be able to use one of the current aftermarket “Lids” available, but I’m not sure if that will work out or not.

It’s not in place in these photos, but the kit will include a metal panel that bonds into place where I have cut the cowl. Everything stays very ridgid, and does not flex, even when the wipers are on. I didn’t have to do major cutting, the piece I removed was about 4”x8”, the new piece will be different shaped, but fit exactly in the opening, and is held in place by a very strong epoxy, that will also be included. The original black plastic panel will need to be trimmed to fit, and re-installed which should give a nice finished look. The hood is the next big hurdle, since I am trying to stay away from requiring a new hood. I am pretty confident that I can modify the factory hood to work, and should have it finished in the next few days

I’ve still got a few things to figure out, but it is getting close to being up and running. This is the Non-I/C blower, so I anticipate being able to make 5-6PSI, which should be good for close to 400RWHP, the test car is a 1998 Z28 A/T.

I also plan to do a 6 speed Trans Am with an I/C Magnuson next, so I can verify any differences between the A/T and M/T cars.

Thanks for the support, I’ll keep you posted with any updates
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They better look at a intercooled setup or its never gonna take off.
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Cool, did they have the engine lowered with new mounts in these photos? IT looks like its sitting at stock height which is a good thing for us guys that have tubular K members.
That looks killer sitting up there.
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That is stock height.

Tony did 500rwhp non I/C with heads and cam and 9:1 compression so I think a non I/C will fly but certainly an I/C is nice. But it will push the blower up higher I think.
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Looks like a WS6 hood will work

Why not use the snout off of the GTO blower to fix the air intake situation?
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All this to mount a blower that can barley feed a h/c motor?
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All this to mount a blower that can barley feed a h/c motor?
Exactly what I was thinking. 500 RWHP and these blowers are done for the cobra guys, why would anyone want to buy one? Maybe if it were an intercooled 3.3L whipple I would think about it, but not as they sit.
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Originally Posted by eviltwins
Exactly what I was thinking. 500 RWHP and these are taking a **** on the cobra guys, why would anyone want to buy one? Maybe if it were an intercooled 3.3L whipple I would think about it, but not as they sit.

Even a 2.3L kb or 2.4 L whippkle can support 700 rwhp. and would fit in the same place the eaton would. I just cant see using this blower!
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
That is stock height.

Tony did 500rwhp non I/C with heads and cam and 9:1 compression so I think a non I/C will fly but certainly an I/C is nice. But it will push the blower up higher I think.
Are you sure John that Tony's blower is non Intercooled? Cause this is straight from his website. "I gave Magna Charger a call and had them build a custom supercharger kit specifically for this project. Its similar to their 2004 GTO kit, with its shaft-driven belt system, with an internal air to water intercooler. I ordered it fully polished, and to be driven with the 4th gen f-body serpentine belt/pulley system. Initial baseline dyno testing provided 506 rear wheel horsepower, and 501 ft-lbs rear wheel torque on the Dynojet."
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Oh I might be wrong about Tony's, I'm sure he will be by at some point.

Gordon, not everyone is looking for 600-800rwhp.
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I think this is made more for the stock motor/maybe header crowd. 'only' 450-500rwhp can be a lot of fun for most..
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There are people that are leery about cutting their hoods to clearance their blower, do you think people are willing to cut open their cowl? I don't think so. Its a nice idea but I just don't see a lot of people going for it.
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I think this magnacharger project is pretty exciting - I hope the project will work out.
I consider 450-500RWHP as pretty attractive, especially with
the torque coming on strong down low

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the Lightning guys are having trouble with the eaton overspinning them at anything over 14 psi and they have a really nice air/water intercooler heat exchanger system. but i think it is a great start. ls1 needs more low end tq.
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Tony did 500rwhp non I/C with heads and cam and 9:1 compression so I think a non I/C will fly but certainly an I/C is nice. But it will push the blower up higher I think.
My setup is intercooled. It has a small heat exchanger (maybe 14" by 8") up front mounted behind my grille. But, I know I did a really clean install, so it was easy to miss John

That cowl cut is minimal, I'd definitely do that for a blower. Looks easier than some of us beating in the floorboards to accomodate a Y-pipe

If some of you think 500 rwhp and 500 ft-lbs isn't fun for a street car, put down the pipe! My setup is making over 400 ft-lbs.....at only 2000 rpm.
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stock hood?

I personally don't want 500rw right now, so this actually looks nice.
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Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
There are people that are leery about cutting their hoods to clearance their blower, do you think people are willing to cut open their cowl? I don't think so. Its a nice idea but I just don't see a lot of people going for it.

More for the rest of us...
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Yep, 400 RWTQ at 2000 rpms. The average HC package is lucky to MAKE 400#s, and thats by 4-4500
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How much will this make on a H&C car?I'm thinking of going to a 6.0L head to drop comp. and go with a turbo. This kit would have to make 200rwhp over what the H&C guys already make for us to buy it. A 100rwhp gain for the amount of money it is going to cost is just not worth it. Could make 100 rwhp cheap and easy with nos. We need atleast 200 hp for the H&C guys to be all over it
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Oh I might be wrong about Tony's, I'm sure he will be by at some point.

Gordon, not everyone is looking for 600-800rwhp.

Its still nice to have room to grow... The twin screw's would make more power at the same boost with less heat. So even at 500 rwhp there would be less heat and the motor would last longer.

People who buy economy cars dont want 200 hp but why use a flat head ford v8 when there is a DOCh 4 cyl?
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