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Old 10-09-2013, 01:55 PM
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Bolt-ons, lts, ory, cutout, lid, bellow. How high can I safely shift? Ive been shifting around 6400. Is that too high?

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IMO, Yeah to high.
Unless you have upgrade valve train components (at least valve springs, or springs and cam) I wouldn't bother shifting any higher than 6200rpm.
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There are two questions here.

How high can you possibly shift?
When should you shift to be the quickest?

You "can" shift at 6400, but don't see why you want to. Generally most LS1 motors make most of their power in the mid 5000's. Here is a dynograph of a stock LS1 from a 99 T/A



The HP peaks out at around 5300 then starts to steadily decrease. There's no reason to keep on reving into the 6's if you're losing power. Now to shift to be the fastest you need to basically shift so as to use as much power under the curve as possible. Just because you make your peak power at 5300 doesn't mean you need to shift at 5300. Doing that will drop you down to the mid 4000's where you make significantly less power than if you were to rev to say, 5800 then shift to 5000.

There is a delicate balance that needs to be struck than just revving the ***** off your car until you smash the limiter.
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I juat want to know if 6400 will hurt my valvetrain... I had it tuned to shift that high because im running consistantly better ets..
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Originally Posted by Mavn
I juat want to know if 6400 will hurt my valvetrain... I had it tuned to shift that high because im running consistantly better ets..
I think everyone was assuming your car is a M6, but from what just posted I'm guessing you have a A4. If so your running faster because A4's have larger a rpm drop between gears. So even though your revving well past you peak HP your rpm's are dropping into a better part of your torque curve. Are you going to hurt your valvetrain? A set of LS6 springs would be cheap insurance.
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6400 is too high for a stock LS1. factory rpm limit is set at 5900. need to up grade the stock springs and rod bolts as they're the weak point!
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Thanks guys! Ive been running it like this for 6 momths and like 200 passes atleast and nothing has broken. Im doing a cam swap march ish. Hopefully nothing breaks till then lol
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Originally Posted by Mavn
...Ive been running it like this for 6 momths and like 200 passes atleast and nothing has broken...
I think that the 600 Lb gorilla lurking in the background is the word "yet". You didn't mention if you had upgraded your rod bolts, but I'll step out on the limb and say that you haven't as you're still using the stock LS1 valve train.

I don't know how many miles there are on your components, but I do know from 45+ years of experience of road racing, drag racing, and auto-x that components fail at the most inopportune time when subject to abuse beyond their designed RPM range.

Spring metal fatigue is difficult to detect prior to breakage unless you lucky enough to spot the "blued" metal effect of over heated valve springs. Like Fry_ recommended, an upgrade to a set of LS6 springs would be cheap insurance.

Also, M4N14C is right on about tuning your shift points to keep the engine in it's best power band based upon the RPM drop between gears. This was a secret to winning stock car drag races back in the '60's. The savvy driver knew when to shift to keep the engine pulling hard all the way down the 1/4 mile while the average driver shifted at redline (typically way outside the engine's power band) and lost the race. (If I can find it, I'll post an interesting article on to determine shifting points from Chevy Corvette engineer Jim Ingles.)

Hope this info helps and that you keep your LS1 together for the future cam change.
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Originally Posted by JOHNNY59
6400 is too high for a stock LS1. factory rpm limit is set at 5900. need to up grade the stock springs and rod bolts as they're the weak point!
I thought factory limit was 6,200.....?????? Then again I'm not very bright.
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Here's an article by Jim Ingle, Corvette Test Engineer, on the importance of matching your shift points to your engine's power band. Enjoy!










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