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Old 04-11-2008, 08:32 PM
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Default msd wires and ohm resistance WOW!!!

just put in new plugs and decided to replace the old wires w/msd 8.5's, and wow!! before i installed the wires i checked resistance on both sets. msd's were ALL 27.5 ohms, the factory ones were crap, i had an average of 370ohms.(bunch of junk) I just wanted to throw that out there for anybody that wanted to know the differance.
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I noticed my engine ran alot smoother at idle after I switched out my stockers w/msd's
not that it means MSD is any better than the other brands, just my experience.
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I noticed similar results when I installed mine last summer. The originals had 80,000, so figured it was time for wires and plugs. I was also impressed with the fit, both to the coil pack and the plug. I've allways had good luck with their products even on my Chevelle and ElCamino.
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The resistance of the wires isn't a good measure of performance, especially when looking at wires that are already very, very short. GM had to ensure that there were no EMI problems, and is a big reason why the stock wires have the resistance that they do.
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Did someone ay MSD? LOL, contact me for your best deal on them
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Did someone ay MSD? LOL, contact me for your best deal on them
We ONLY run MSD's on our builds & our drag motors.
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I don't know what the MSDs are made of but the material is pretty amazing when it comes to surviving heat.
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same results i got...
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I just bought these, I was a little hesitant since I've read that they failed on people....we'll see how it goes
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Originally Posted by ShevrolayZ28
I don't know what the MSDs are made of but the material is pretty amazing when it comes to surviving heat.

Silicone is your freind..LOL
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
The resistance of the wires isn't a good measure of performance, especially when looking at wires that are already very, very short. GM had to ensure that there were no EMI problems, and is a big reason why the stock wires have the resistance that they do.
Agree 100%, here's some information concerning these types of wires:

"LOW-RESISTANCE" SPIRAL WIRES

By far the most popular conductor used in ignition wires destined for race and performance street engines are spiral conductors (a.k.a. mag, pro, super, spiral, monel, heli, energy, ferro, twin core etc.). Spiral conductors are constructed by winding fine wire around a core. Almost all manufacturers use constructions which reduce production costs in an endeavor to offer ignition component marketers and mass-merchandisers cheaper prices than those of their competitors.

In the USA in particular, most marketers of performance parts selling their products through mass-merchandisers and speed shops include a variety of very effective high-output ignition systems together with a branded not-so-effective ignition wire line using a spiral conductor. Most perpetually try to out-do their competitors by offering spiral conductor ignition wires with the lowest electrical resistance. Some publish results which show their wires are superior to a competitor's wires which use identical cable (on which another brand name is printed). The published "low" resistance (per foot) is measured with a test ohmmeter's 1 volt direct current (DC) passing through the entire length of the fine wire used for the spiral conductor.

"Low-resistance" conductors are an easy sell, as most people associate all ignition wire conductors with original equipment and replacement ignition wire carbon conductors (which progressively fail as a result of microscopic carbon granules burning away and thus reducing the spark energy to the spark plugs) and with solid wire zero-resistance conductors that were used by racers with no need for suppression. Consumers are easily led into believing that if a spiral conductor's resistance is almost zero, its performance must be similar to that of a solid metal conductor all race cars once used. HOWEVER, NOTHING IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!

What is not generally understood (or is ignored) is that as a result of the laws of electricity, the potential 45,000 plus volts (with alternating current characteristics) from the ignition coil (a pulse type transformer) does not flow through the entire the length of fine wire used for a spiral conductor like the 1 volt DC voltage from a test ohmmeter, but flows in a magnetic field surrounding the outermost surface of the spiral windings (skin effect). The same skin effect applies equally to the same pulsating flow of current passing through carbon and solid metal conductors.

A spiral conductor with a low electrical resistance measured by an ohmmeter indicates, in reality, nothing other than less of the expensive fine wire is used for the conductor windings — a construction which cannot achieve a clean and efficient current flow through the magnetic field surrounding the windings, resulting in poor suppression for RFI and EMI.

Of course, ignition wire manufacturers save a considerable amount in manufacturing costs by using less fine wire, less exotic winding machinery and less expertise to make low-resistance spiral conductors. As an incentive, they find a lucrative market amongst performance parts marketers who advertise their branded ignition wires as having "low-resistance" conductors, despite the fact that such "low-resistance" contributes nothing to make spiral ignition wires perform better, and RFI and EMI suppression is compromised.

In recent years, most ignition wire manufacturers, to temporarily improve their spiral conductor's suppression, have resorted to coating excessively spaced spiral windings, most of which are crudely wound around strands of fiberglass or Kevlar, with a heavy layer of high-resistance carbon impregnated conductive latex or silicone compound. This type of construction hides the conductive coating's high resistance when the overall conductor is measured with a test ohmmeter, which only measures the lower resistance of the sparse spirally wound wire (the path of least resistance) under the conductive coating and ignores the high resistance of the outermost conductive coating in which the spark energy actually travels. The conductive coating is rarely shown or mentioned in advertisement illustrations.

The suppression achieved by this practice of coating the windings is only temporary, as the spark current is forced to travel through the outermost high-resistance conductive coating in the same manner the spark current travels through the outermost high-resistance conductive coating of a carbon conductor used in most original equipment and stock replacement wires.

In effect, (when new) a coated "low-resistance" spiral conductor's true performance is identical to that of a high-resistance carbon conductor.

Unfortunately, and particularly with the use of high-output ignitions, the outermost high-resistance conductive coating over spiral windings acting as the conductor will fail from burn out in the same manner as carbon conductors, and although in most cases, the spiral conductor will not cease to conduct like a high-resistance carbon conductor, any RFI or EMI suppression will be lost as a consequence of the coating burning out. The worst interference will come from the so-called "super conductors" that are wound with copper (alloy) wire.

However, despite the shortcomings of "low-resistance" spiral conductor ignition wires, these wires work satisfactorily on older production vehicles and race vehicles that do not rely on electronic engine management systems, or use on-board electronics effected by EMI — although with the lowest-resistance conductor wires, don't expect much RFI suppression on the AM band in poor reception areas.

Some European and Japanese original equipment and replacement ignition wires including Bougicord and NGK do have spiral conductors that provide good suppression — usually none of these wires are promoted as having low-resistance conductors — however, none are ideal for competition use, as their conductors and pin-type terminations are fragile and are known to rarely last as long as good carbon conductor ignition wires.

To be effective in carrying the full output from the ignition system and suppressing RFI and EMI in particular, spiral conductors need windings that are microscopically close to one another and precisely spaced and free from conductive coatings. To be more effective, the windings need to be wound over a core of magnetic material — a method too costly for wires sold through mass-merchandisers and most speed shops who purchase only the cheapest (to them) and most heavily promoted products.
Reference: http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm
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The MSD 8.5mm Super Conductor Wire is "the" performance wire.Engineered from the inside out, the 8.5 offers everything you have everwanted in a wire; incredibly low resistance without electronic interference! In a single 12 inch length of Super Conductor Wire there is only 40 - 50 ohms of resistance! That is the lowest resistance of any helically wound wire. To accomplish this, we use a copper alloy conductor due to it's great voltage carrying capabilities. The low resistance results in less loss in spark energy so more reaches the spark plug. The conductor is wound extremely tight around a special center core. So tight in fact, that there is over 40 feet of conductor wrapped into a single foot of plug wire. This winding procedure, combined with a ferro-magnetic impregnated center core, produces an extremely effective Electro Magnetic Interference (EMI) "choke".
This choke, or suppression capability, keeps the EMI inside the wire where it cannot interfere with other electronics on your vehicle. The outer sleeve that surrounds the conductor assembly is just as impressive. A proprietary blend of silicone and synthetic material produce a sleeve that is highly resistant to high heat as well as abrasion and tears.

Dual Crimp Terminals
All of the MSD spark plug terminals feature "Dual Crimp" terminals. As the name implies, the terminals feature two crimps: One for the sleeve of the wire and another separate crimp to grasp the conductor of the wire.
By having separate crimps, the conductor doesn't need to bent 180° and get squeezed between the terminal and sleeve. The individual conductor crimp produces a more secure crimp and there is less chance of spark arcing to the engine block or exhaust through the boot. In fact, we feel so strongly about our Dual Crimp terminals that every factory crimped plug wire is guaranteed not to "pull off" for FIVE years!


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^ thats some good info ... i think im gonna get those wires when it comes time to upgrade
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Remember that Ohms read through a multimeter is based off of Ohms @ 9VDC. What kind of voltage does a coilpack throw out there? 370@9vdc vs 27.5@9vdc. Seems negligible to me.
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I currently have MSD's on the car and i loved them, switching to magnecor to give them a try, next time if i'm not satisfied going back to MSD's.



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