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Old 04-14-2010, 05:51 PM
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Default Ordered 228r 112. Need help with some q's on 5.3 heads

I finally ordered my 228r cam. Im trying to figure out a good budget head before i swap in the cam. I dont really know much about heads and i have read the stickies but im sure someone can come in here and enlighten me easily.

The reason i want to do 5.3 is because of the bump im compression and also the ability to find the heads really easily at a local junk yard and pop them off a totaled truck. then take them and get them milled and cleaned up.

What i dont understand is head gaskets. Can you pop on stock 5.3 heads with a specific gasket and be fine, or is it worth it to get them milled and also get the specific spaced gasket?

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Their torquer series are a good choice, give them a call they are more than helpful, tell them what ya have and what you want, they will steer you in the right direction. Or you could go the custom ground way, That is the way I always go, but it gets pricey.....
the timing chain is not that expensive of a part, and depending on the mileage of the car I would recommend swapping it, along with the oil pump, 250 worth of preventative measure can save you thousands. The LS2 is a good chain, I have a double roller and if I did it all again I would not do the double, a ton of aggravation.
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Car has 40k on the clock. I know the double would be overkill but I was pretty set on the ls2 for priece of mind.

I just found a thread of a guy with stock 243s and the 224. Made great power for the money
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Originally Posted by twitchtwice
Car has 40k on the clock. I know the double would be overkill but I was pretty set on the ls2 for priece of mind.

I just found a thread of a guy with stock 243s and the 224. Made great power for the money
twitch, i would look at the TSP Torquer v3.. i have never rode in a cammed car ever, and i run the 230/227 591/571 112 and this thing drives very smooth. After driving my car for awhile now, i would step up to a Torquer 2 size atleast.
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ordered the 228r.
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Well, unless you're buying the 5.3 heads ported/already machined, then the valves and bowls will need to be enlarged to allow stock-sized LS1 valves. Consider this in your expense.

Another thing I picked up was your mentioning that the 5.3 heads were appealing due to the compression bump associated with them. Many people seem to dismiss the fact that any LS6 casting can be milled to achieve the SAME compression bump that you'd receive from the smaller 5.3 heads. Food for thought.
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What head gasket are you going to run ?
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Originally Posted by squirts11
Well, unless you're buying the 5.3 heads ported/already machined, then the valves and bowls will need to be enlarged to allow stock-sized LS1 valves. Consider this in your expense.

Another thing I picked up was your mentioning that the 5.3 heads were appealing due to the compression bump associated with them. Many people seem to dismiss the fact that any LS6 casting can be milled to achieve the SAME compression bump that you'd receive from the smaller 5.3 heads. Food for thought.
Exactly. Stock 5.3's have smaller valves/throats which is going to offset any gain from a bump in compression. Not to mention you are going to get them milled anyway? I think you are *** backwards on this one.
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yeah im not really sure about head info. thats why i was asking. so basically it would be much easier to get a stock 243 or 799 casting head to install on the car.
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Originally Posted by twitchtwice
yeah im not really sure about head info. thats why i was asking. so basically it would be much easier to get a stock 243 or 799 casting head to install on the car.
Milled stock 243's with a valve job and blend is the best $/hp mod you can make with cylinder heads.
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Originally Posted by Paint_It_Black
Milled stock 243's with a valve job and blend is the best $/hp mod you can make with cylinder heads.
okay i may look into that. is it possible to just throw the heads on there without milling and doing a valve job?
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Sure. Just make sure the valves seal well before you put the heads on. When I am testing bike or four wheeler heads I just use alcohol.....
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Originally Posted by twitchtwice
okay i may look into that. is it possible to just throw the heads on there without milling and doing a valve job?
Any time I buy used heads, I will have the machinist do a slight mill just to clean up the deck surface. You never know if they were overheated/warped or just if the surface isn't straight.

A valve job on stock valves/seats isn't expensive, and with the valve job and blend you're going to gain another 15hp out of that head. My machinist cuts my valve jobs for $200. I've known him since I was 19, but it just goes to show that it's not a super expensive item.

Pick up used 243's for $400, $200-$300 on a VJ, blend, and mill. You are at $700 for a head that can break 280 cfm with a 210cc stock runner. That is serious business for that minor investment!
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Originally Posted by Paint_It_Black
Any time I buy used heads, I will have the machinist do a slight mill just to clean up the deck surface. You never know if they were overheated/warped or just if the surface isn't straight.

A valve job on stock valves/seats isn't expensive, and with the valve job and blend you're going to gain another 15hp out of that head. My machinist cuts my valve jobs for $200. I've known him since I was 19, but it just goes to show that it's not a super expensive item.

Pick up used 243's for $400, $200-$300 on a VJ, blend, and mill. You are at $700 for a head that can break 280 cfm with a 210cc stock runner. That is serious business for that minor investment!
Good info and that is what I was going to do until my friend demoded his car and I got his milled prc stg 2.5 5.3 heads for 700. 243 or 799 casting is a great best bang for the buck




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