Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Dyno questions with 224 cam

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-24-2004, 08:55 AM
  #1  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
2000Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Dyno questions with 224 cam

I just installed TR 224/224 114 cam along with a yank convertor.I still have the LS1 intake on the car.This cam should pull all the way to 6000 rpm correct?I have a ton more low end,but the hp peaks and starting dropping at 5400rpm Is this due to still having the stock intake on the car? How much will the LS6 give me? Any suggestions would be great.Im very dissapointed in my numbers.
Old 01-24-2004, 09:09 AM
  #2  
PSJ Wannabe & Attention Whore
iTrader: (-10)
 
BOO HOO BRIAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 531
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

What valve springs? Were those changed when you changed the cam?

Originally Posted by 2000Blackout
I just installed TR 224/224 114 cam along with a yank convertor.I still have the LS1 intake on the car.This cam should pull all the way to 6000 rpm correct?I have a ton more low end,but the hp peaks and starting dropping at 5400rpm Is this due to still having the stock intake on the car? How much will the LS6 give me? Any suggestions would be great.Im very dissapointed in my numbers.
Old 01-24-2004, 09:26 AM
  #3  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
2000Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Comp 918 springs were changed with the cam along with pushrods.
Old 01-24-2004, 12:50 PM
  #4  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
Ryan02SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Lake Anna, VA/ Fairmont, WV
Posts: 1,795
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

My 224 112LSA peaks right about 6000 rpms and holds flat till 6400 where I shift. I would guess an LS6 intake would net a good 15+ rwhp over your stock LS1 intake on a 224 cammed car.
Old 01-24-2004, 01:47 PM
  #5  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
2000Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

So by still having the stock intake,would that explain why the hp is flatttening out out 5400?Is the LS1 intake maxed out?
Old 01-24-2004, 02:46 PM
  #6  
TECH Regular
 
pekkaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

No. There have been posts about similar symptoms due to cam being 1 tooth off. There may be something else wrong as well. How's the fueling ? Have you tried logging what's going on ?
Old 01-24-2004, 03:39 PM
  #7  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
2000Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Fuel and spark are good,nothing unuasl on atap,no codes,nothing.
Old 01-24-2004, 04:08 PM
  #8  
TECH Fanatic
 
98SS Blackattack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 1,227
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Its not the stock intake. I have seen them over 400hp all the time.There is something wrong though. That cam should pull hard to 6500.Most likley your dots are not lined up. I would pull the timming cover and check it again. This is becomming fairly common lately.
Old 01-24-2004, 04:41 PM
  #9  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
2000Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I spoke with the person who installed the cam,he insists it was lined up dot to dot,but ive also heard that with a stock chain,it could cause it to move and be off a tooth.Is this true?
Old 01-24-2004, 10:33 PM
  #10  
jrp
SN95 Director
iTrader: (16)
 
jrp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Valencia, Ca
Posts: 10,755
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 2000Blackout
I spoke with the person who installed the cam,he insists it was lined up dot to dot,but ive also heard that with a stock chain,it could cause it to move and be off a tooth.Is this true?
yes the stock chain has some slack in it, i'd double check and make sure the cam was degree'd in properly.
Old 01-25-2004, 01:18 AM
  #11  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
2000Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

well we pulled the cover off and moved it one dot to the right,and damn what a nite and day difference!I cant believe it the same car,its pulls very nice all the way through 6000rpm.Thanks to pekkaz for bringing this up to me.
Old 01-25-2004, 08:09 AM
  #12  
Moderator
iTrader: (4)
 
JNorris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Montgomery, AL
Posts: 2,074
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 2000Blackout
well we pulled the cover off and moved it one dot to the right,and damn what a nite and day difference!I cant believe it the same car,its pulls very nice all the way through 6000rpm.Thanks to pekkaz for bringing this up to me.

Was the cam installed one tooth off or did you just advance the cam by one tooth?
Old 01-25-2004, 09:30 AM
  #13  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (8)
 
Scoobie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

My TR224/224 112 Cam Peaked at 6100. It only gained 10 RWHP from 5300 to 6100, and only fell 4 RWHP from 6100 to 6600. I wonder if mine is supposed to do that? Hmmmm
Old 01-25-2004, 09:56 AM
  #14  
wrencher
iTrader: (2)
 
wrencher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 4,762
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

This is why you degree every cam you install.
Thats what the cam card is for.
Old 01-25-2004, 11:16 AM
  #15  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (36)
 
Black02SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Kokomo, IN
Posts: 3,291
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Here is a dyno from my buddies car. It has a TR224 114lsa, m6, LTs, intake, borla, lid. This dyno to me seems kinda LOW.



Can someone also tell me why that HP and TQ don't cross at 5200 rpms?
Old 01-25-2004, 11:42 AM
  #16  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (2)
 
Magred2001vette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Can someone explain what all is involved in degree'ing a cam in properly.

My friend just had a cam installed (232/232 .595 .595 112) and it only made 367 HP and 369 TQ.

cam only
M6
'98 factory heads
ls1 intake
autotap tuning by local houston shop
hooker long tubes -no cats-open exhaust
Old 01-25-2004, 11:45 AM
  #17  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (36)
 
Black02SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Kokomo, IN
Posts: 3,291
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Well first of all, you can't tune a car by autotap, you need ls1edit to do so. Second, you can't really expect to get good dyno numbers when the car doesn't have all the bolt ons and is still running through the restrictive ls1 intake. What is the a/f ratio like Magred?
Old 01-25-2004, 11:50 AM
  #18  
Launching!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
2000Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The dot is one tooth the left,moved if one over to the right.
Old 01-25-2004, 12:57 PM
  #19  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (3)
 
Ryan02SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Lake Anna, VA/ Fairmont, WV
Posts: 1,795
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

2000Blackout...... So when you moved one tooth to the right the dots are now dot to dot? The TR224's come with 4 degrees advance ground in and I installed mine straight up dot to dot.

My Dyno Graph.....
Old 01-25-2004, 01:20 PM
  #20  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (36)
 
Black02SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Kokomo, IN
Posts: 3,291
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

I was under the impression you need to install it DOT to DOT to maintain the correct ICL.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:28 AM.