EPS cam and AI ported 243's
12-07-2010, 04:51 PM
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EPS cam and AI ported 243's So on Sunday some woman totaled my 2000 Camaro SS 
Anyways I figured since I'm going to be starting from scratch I'm looking to possibly send my heads to get ported by AI and go with and EPS cam. This car will be a DD occational track..looking for 430+ rwhp in Vegas air
Car will be an M6 with an LS6 intake.. Possibly a fast in the far future.
Anyone want to guide me in the right direction. The heads are 243's milled .020 already. I want a cam on a 111LSA or 112 with a high 22X low 23x range.
TO SUM UP FOR THOSE WHO DON't WANT TO READ:
243's milled .020 ported by AI possibly
EPS cam 22X-23X
M6
DD, ocational track
430+ RWHP
on a budget
Steer me in the right direction
Anyways I figured since I'm going to be starting from scratch I'm looking to possibly send my heads to get ported by AI and go with and EPS cam. This car will be a DD occational track..looking for 430+ rwhp in Vegas air
Car will be an M6 with an LS6 intake.. Possibly a fast in the far future.
Anyone want to guide me in the right direction. The heads are 243's milled .020 already. I want a cam on a 111LSA or 112 with a high 22X low 23x range.
TO SUM UP FOR THOSE WHO DON't WANT TO READ:
243's milled .020 ported by AI possibly
EPS cam 22X-23X
M6
DD, ocational track
430+ RWHP
on a budget
Steer me in the right direction
12-07-2010, 05:01 PM
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THATS TERRIBLE! I read your previous build thread, I hate it that camaro is no longer with us. Good luck with the build! Looks like If you went with around a 228 236 cam and ported those heads you currently have youre well within the right range on power
12-07-2010, 05:54 PM
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Damn that sucks bro, and you just did the H/C swap.
How did the insurance co treat you, good value for your car? Are you gonna buy it back to strip it? Just curious because you always hear bad stories of insurance co's raping us on these cars. Some ported 243s would be sweet, wish I would have done that before installing them as well.
How did the insurance co treat you, good value for your car? Are you gonna buy it back to strip it? Just curious because you always hear bad stories of insurance co's raping us on these cars. Some ported 243s would be sweet, wish I would have done that before installing them as well.
12-07-2010, 09:10 PM
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do a 226 230 on a 111+2 EPS lobes that thing will rip. The DCR is nice and high for the street. Will make great torque throughout the entire power band and should pull to around 6300 shift aroudnd 6500.
12-07-2010, 09:45 PM
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Damn that sucks bro, and you just did the H/C swap.
How did the insurance co treat you, good value for your car? Are you gonna buy it back to strip it? Just curious because you always hear bad stories of insurance co's raping us on these cars. Some ported 243s would be sweet, wish I would have done that before installing them as well.
How did the insurance co treat you, good value for your car? Are you gonna buy it back to strip it? Just curious because you always hear bad stories of insurance co's raping us on these cars. Some ported 243s would be sweet, wish I would have done that before installing them as well.
12-07-2010, 09:49 PM
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Not sure what the insurance company is going to declare it yet. Yeah terrible. it was mint SLP SS with 50k. I feel like I lost my child.
Thanks always2slow I was thinking about that cam..I want to see what these flow then determine it from there. But I want to shift around 6500 or so. Would love a torque monster!
Keep suggestions coming!
Thanks always2slow I was thinking about that cam..I want to see what these flow then determine it from there. But I want to shift around 6500 or so. Would love a torque monster!
Keep suggestions coming!
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12-08-2010, 02:37 AM
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Prolly shouldn't throw that sentence around
Why the immediate and emminent I want an EPS cam? You had a TR230 (which I thought sounded sick), what was the problem with it? Any reason why you wouldn't give Thunder the first shot at your business? Did you think the cam did anything sub-par? Not trying to preach, just curious. I would look at the line from Thunder or if you are looking broader how about a Cam Motion cam? They have some great shelf cams that come in various lifts to suit your build
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that EPS lobes are the only ones to make power.
Why the immediate and emminent I want an EPS cam? You had a TR230 (which I thought sounded sick), what was the problem with it? Any reason why you wouldn't give Thunder the first shot at your business? Did you think the cam did anything sub-par? Not trying to preach, just curious. I would look at the line from Thunder or if you are looking broader how about a Cam Motion cam? They have some great shelf cams that come in various lifts to suit your build
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that EPS lobes are the only ones to make power.
12-08-2010, 09:05 AM
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12-08-2010, 09:08 AM
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Our 243's will work great regardless of cam grind, and we're happy to work with you regardless of what you want to pair the heads with. If we provide the grind, we can put together an ideal setup geared toward whatever power, rpm range, spring maintenance interval, etc. you want. Cams aren't black magic, and we aren't limited to a specific line of lobes, manufacturer, etc. For guys who already have cams, if possible we like for them to be sent in so we can determine what will be a safe chamber volume/valve location to ensure adequate p2v. Beyond that, I'm sure Geoff and others can give you a reference measurement we can work off of. While less than ideal, it won't prevent us from providing a head machined for your specific setup.
Good luck & thanks for your interest!
-Phil
12-08-2010, 10:44 AM
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Prolly shouldn't throw that sentence around
Why the immediate and emminent I want an EPS cam? You had a TR230 (which I thought sounded sick), what was the problem with it? Any reason why you wouldn't give Thunder the first shot at your business? Did you think the cam did anything sub-par? Not trying to preach, just curious. I would look at the line from Thunder or if you are looking broader how about a Cam Motion cam? They have some great shelf cams that come in various lifts to suit your build Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that EPS lobes are the only ones to make power.
Why the immediate and emminent I want an EPS cam? You had a TR230 (which I thought sounded sick), what was the problem with it? Any reason why you wouldn't give Thunder the first shot at your business? Did you think the cam did anything sub-par? Not trying to preach, just curious. I would look at the line from Thunder or if you are looking broader how about a Cam Motion cam? They have some great shelf cams that come in various lifts to suit your build
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that EPS lobes are the only ones to make power.
12-08-2010, 11:16 AM
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Absolutely, if we can say EPS lobes are easy on the valvetrain per the amount of power they make, thats great. Then they are perfectly suited for lots of applications. It just seems that there is literally people going so far as to say that EPS (LSG) lobes make more power then any other lobe out there. Which is just plain not true. Pointing out the exact reason why someone suggests a particular lobe or brand of cams is the right way to go. Giving blanket untrue statements is 
Squee is who I'm specifically refering to
Also, understand cam power is less lobe and more the person who is specing it knows what the hell they are doing and/or has lots of experience. I think these "lobes" are getting way too much credit. It's pretty obvious that Geoff knows how to spec a cam.
Squee is who I'm specifically refering to
Also, understand cam power is less lobe and more the person who is specing it knows what the hell they are doing and/or has lots of experience. I think these "lobes" are getting way too much credit. It's pretty obvious that Geoff knows how to spec a cam.
12-08-2010, 11:59 AM
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Prolly shouldn't throw that sentence around
Why the immediate and emminent I want an EPS cam? You had a TR230 (which I thought sounded sick), what was the problem with it? Any reason why you wouldn't give Thunder the first shot at your business? Did you think the cam did anything sub-par? Not trying to preach, just curious. I would look at the line from Thunder or if you are looking broader how about a Cam Motion cam? They have some great shelf cams that come in various lifts to suit your build Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that EPS lobes are the only ones to make power.
Why the immediate and emminent I want an EPS cam? You had a TR230 (which I thought sounded sick), what was the problem with it? Any reason why you wouldn't give Thunder the first shot at your business? Did you think the cam did anything sub-par? Not trying to preach, just curious. I would look at the line from Thunder or if you are looking broader how about a Cam Motion cam? They have some great shelf cams that come in various lifts to suit your build
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that EPS lobes are the only ones to make power.As far as the cam...it was designed 10 years ago for one, and it's designed around stock heads/intake and I'm straying away from that. But overall I loved that cam. Put about 3000 miles on it and it performed better than a lot of the bigger cammed guys in my area. I'm looking at EPS for Geoff for one and because I'm curious about their cams. Not just about max power etc.
Man, that's rough. At the same time, it's just a camaro, and you're here posting days later.
Our 243's will work great regardless of cam grind, and we're happy to work with you regardless of what you want to pair the heads with. If we provide the grind, we can put together an ideal setup geared toward whatever power, rpm range, spring maintenance interval, etc. you want. Cams aren't black magic, and we aren't limited to a specific line of lobes, manufacturer, etc. For guys who already have cams, if possible we like for them to be sent in so we can determine what will be a safe chamber volume/valve location to ensure adequate p2v. Beyond that, I'm sure Geoff and others can give you a reference measurement we can work off of. While less than ideal, it won't prevent us from providing a head machined for your specific setup.
Good luck & thanks for your interest!
-Phil
Our 243's will work great regardless of cam grind, and we're happy to work with you regardless of what you want to pair the heads with. If we provide the grind, we can put together an ideal setup geared toward whatever power, rpm range, spring maintenance interval, etc. you want. Cams aren't black magic, and we aren't limited to a specific line of lobes, manufacturer, etc. For guys who already have cams, if possible we like for them to be sent in so we can determine what will be a safe chamber volume/valve location to ensure adequate p2v. Beyond that, I'm sure Geoff and others can give you a reference measurement we can work off of. While less than ideal, it won't prevent us from providing a head machined for your specific setup.
Good luck & thanks for your interest!
-Phil
Your right eps lobes are not the only ones that make power... but maybe thats not all hes looking for since its a dd! The advantage of the eps lobes is how quiet they are compared to other lobes... not to mention they work well with beehive springs! I know you already know this, im just putting this info out there for others who don't use the search function lol. Not to mention I have seen quite a few eps 226/230 grinds putting down the same numbers that other companies cams in the 230+ range are! Better power range, stealthy idle, quite valvetrain, easy on springs, make great power= No brainer imo!
just like mine except a year newer and 46k miles. Last edited by caseypryan; 12-08-2010 at 12:22 PM.
12-08-2010, 01:15 PM
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FWIW when my engine comes apart for anything I will likely also be switching from my wanna be tr230 to something else because I will be adding lightly worked heads.
The TR230 seemed like a perfect cam for me back when I chose it, but after lucking into a fast intake and now some 799 heads, I think a modern custom specced cam would be better.
The idle does sound pretty sick though and it has an awesome tq curve to haul my heavy Chevelle around
12-08-2010, 01:16 PM
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I always come back with vengeance! 