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08-20-2004, 01:47 PM
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Patriot Performance We here at Patriot Performance, would like to take a few minutes to give everyone some important information. We would like to re-affirm to all of our customers, (past, present, and future), that we are committed to producing a great product at affordable prices. In order to do this, we would like to present some facts taken out of a couple of publications that we all know.
Let’s start out with an example of our dedication to performance. In the July 2004 issue of Hot Rod, page 136, one of our competitors, company “ABC”, has a test performed with their heads and a cam from a well known company. This test results in a max output of 507 hp and 469 lb-ft. Not bad at all.
But if you make sure to catch the December 2004 issue of Chevy High Tech , you will see Patriot Performance has a chance to show what we can do. Now, before it is mentioned, we know that our intake valve in this test was a larger (2.055”) and that our combustion chamber was 7cc smaller than that of “ABC” heads.
In this independent test, we made 506 hp and 459 lb-ft!! Now we know this is 1 hp and 10 lb-ft less.
Let’s look at this part of the comparision:
ABC” heads________$2,185.00
Camshaft_________$ 359.00
MLS 6.0 gasket____$ 50.00
Head Bolts _______ $ 35.00
Total:____________ $2,629.00
Patriot heads_______$1,665.00
Patriot cam_________$ 295.00
MLS 6.0 gasket______$Free With Heads
Head bolts__________$Free With Head
Total:______________$1,960.00
The bottom line is that you get to keep $669.00 in your pocket!
Below are the numbers from one of our LS6 Stage II 2.055”/1.600” heads that we recently shipped. These numbers are from a Superflow 1020 (not a 600), 3.90” bore, 28” water, and a 1.750” exhaust pipe. These are real numbers, not over inflated or overstated, but real down to earth numbers. Our continuing research and development, promises to produce an increase in cfm.
Lift Intake Exhaust
.100 72 66
.200 152 126
.300 215 164
.400 261 199
.500 290 223
.550 300 227
.600 310 230
You can rest assured that when you order any of our Patriot Performance products, that you won’t have to sit around waiting weeks or even months to get your products. Most of our orders ship within 36 hours of us receiving the order.
Patriot Performance is prepared for our products to be openly tested and compared to others. When doing the comparing, let’s make sure to look at the whole picture, including dollar spent versus power gained!
Please contact any of our distributors: Summit Racing, Texas Speed, Speed Inc., Pace Performance, Scoggin Dickey, Eckler’s, LM Performance, Year One, Racetech Speed & Performance.
Let’s start out with an example of our dedication to performance. In the July 2004 issue of Hot Rod, page 136, one of our competitors, company “ABC”, has a test performed with their heads and a cam from a well known company. This test results in a max output of 507 hp and 469 lb-ft. Not bad at all.
But if you make sure to catch the December 2004 issue of Chevy High Tech , you will see Patriot Performance has a chance to show what we can do. Now, before it is mentioned, we know that our intake valve in this test was a larger (2.055”) and that our combustion chamber was 7cc smaller than that of “ABC” heads.
In this independent test, we made 506 hp and 459 lb-ft!! Now we know this is 1 hp and 10 lb-ft less.
Let’s look at this part of the comparision:
ABC” heads________$2,185.00
Camshaft_________$ 359.00
MLS 6.0 gasket____$ 50.00
Head Bolts _______ $ 35.00
Total:____________ $2,629.00
Patriot heads_______$1,665.00
Patriot cam_________$ 295.00
MLS 6.0 gasket______$Free With Heads
Head bolts__________$Free With Head
Total:______________$1,960.00
The bottom line is that you get to keep $669.00 in your pocket!
Below are the numbers from one of our LS6 Stage II 2.055”/1.600” heads that we recently shipped. These numbers are from a Superflow 1020 (not a 600), 3.90” bore, 28” water, and a 1.750” exhaust pipe. These are real numbers, not over inflated or overstated, but real down to earth numbers. Our continuing research and development, promises to produce an increase in cfm.
Lift Intake Exhaust
.100 72 66
.200 152 126
.300 215 164
.400 261 199
.500 290 223
.550 300 227
.600 310 230
You can rest assured that when you order any of our Patriot Performance products, that you won’t have to sit around waiting weeks or even months to get your products. Most of our orders ship within 36 hours of us receiving the order.
Patriot Performance is prepared for our products to be openly tested and compared to others. When doing the comparing, let’s make sure to look at the whole picture, including dollar spent versus power gained!
Please contact any of our distributors: Summit Racing, Texas Speed, Speed Inc., Pace Performance, Scoggin Dickey, Eckler’s, LM Performance, Year One, Racetech Speed & Performance.
08-20-2004, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyCarl
Are the flow numbers you listed above for your LS6 S2 heads with some hand finishing or is that what your normal $1665 heads flow? Thanks. 
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08-20-2004, 04:15 PM
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What's the runner volume on your LS6 style heads? Also, what brand name of valves do you guys use on your heads? Lastly, does every set of head come with their own flowsheet?
08-20-2004, 04:15 PM
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so you made less power with a 7cc smaller combustion chamber? How much more compression did you have over the abc company? Thanks
never mind I found it above. You had 1.2 point's more compression.
never mind I found it above. You had 1.2 point's more compression.
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08-20-2004, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam-eye-Am
What's the runner volume on your LS6 style heads? Also, what brand name of valves do you guys use on your heads? Lastly, does every set of head come with their own flowsheet?
08-20-2004, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by H82BBad
so you made less power with a 7cc smaller combustion chamber? How much more compression did you have over the abc company? Thanks
never mind I found it above. You had 1.2 point's more compression.
never mind I found it above. You had 1.2 point's more compression.
08-20-2004, 05:17 PM
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Gunnar,
Really appreciate all the great info! Has the flow numbers changed at all compared to what is listed on the website for the standard Stage 2 5.3's and 5.7's? Also, what are the flow numbers for the Race Style 5.3, 5.7, and LS6 heads? Thanks!
Really appreciate all the great info! Has the flow numbers changed at all compared to what is listed on the website for the standard Stage 2 5.3's and 5.7's? Also, what are the flow numbers for the Race Style 5.3, 5.7, and LS6 heads? Thanks!
08-20-2004, 07:09 PM
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Patriot Heads As a competitor, I can respect how well Patriot has done with their products. But also as a competitor, I question the overall quality and longgevity of the parts and hardware used in your product. I am not bashing Patriot whatsoever, But I think you have experienced one bad eppisode for cutting corners to make a cheaper product. There are a lot of us out there that can't compete with your pricing because of the way we build our products and the high quality parts and not taking any shortcuts to get there. I'm sorry if I sound a little negative. I just found your thread a little negative towards all your other competitors by saying how good your part is because it makes close power to brand abc. but costs so much less. well we happen to be a brand abc and have machined over 500 sets of ls1 heads last year without 1 comeback, no untapped holes,etc. Its America, you get what you pay for.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect to patriot, but compare apples to apples please, if you are going to make price comparisons.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect to patriot, but compare apples to apples please, if you are going to make price comparisons.
08-20-2004, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cary et performance
As a competitor, I can respect how well Patriot has done with their products. But also as a competitor, I question the overall quality and longgevity of the parts and hardware used in your product. I am not bashing Patriot whatsoever, But I think you have experienced one bad eppisode for cutting corners to make a cheaper product. There are a lot of us out there that can't compete with your pricing because of the way we build our products and the high quality parts and not taking any shortcuts to get there. I'm sorry if I sound a little negative. I just found your thread a little negative towards all your other competitors by saying how good your part is because it makes close power to brand abc. but costs so much less. well we happen to be a brand abc and have machined over 500 sets of ls1 heads last year without 1 comeback, no untapped holes,etc. Its America, you get what you pay for.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect to patriot, but compare apples to apples please, if you are going to make price comparisons.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect to patriot, but compare apples to apples please, if you are going to make price comparisons.
Amen!!!
08-20-2004, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GUNNAR@PATRIOT
250cc, our valves are our own Patriot brand. They are made of 23-8N stainless steel. We do include a flow sheet at the customers request.
08-20-2004, 09:03 PM
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on my budget I'm just happy to get the gains over stock. I always want the best everything for the car but then reality kicks in once in a while. As long as they aren't prone to blowing **** up then I'm game to give them a shot. I am also not a max power guy and I'd take a hit on performance to save money..
I have seen the horror posts on all the boards as well as the ones with happy customers. I will give 'em a shot and pray I don't end up one of those people (or the content of this post might be edited
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I have seen the horror posts on all the boards as well as the ones with happy customers. I will give 'em a shot and pray I don't end up one of those people (or the content of this post might be edited
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