T-Rex v.2 vs. G5X-3 vs. Magic stick 3
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T-Rex v.2 vs. G5X-3 vs. Magic stick 3
All 3 cams have different specs, so one has to be better than the other and there has to be a best. I dont know much about the Magic stick 3, but obviously this cam is recommended if you wanna hit 10s N/A cam only. All 3 cams can be a "good" choice, but what would be the best choice? Are the G5X-3 specs still unknown? Do any of these cams have to be retarded or advanced, or do you install them straight up? I wanna pick the right cam because I dont plan on changing cams again until I do a heads and cam package. I know all these cams are close, but which one is going to give me the best chance at hitting 10s? By the way, is there any difference between the cams the way they behave in normal driving? Thanks.
T-Rex v.2 242/248 .608/.612 110 LSA 3500-6700 rpm power band $429.99
G5X-3 2XX/2XX .600/.610 112 or 114 LSA $449.00
Magic stick v.3 (MS3) 237/242 .603/.609 113 LSA $399.99
Why on the G5X-3 do they offer 2 different LSAs? On the Magic stick 3, why did they go with an odd ball 113 LSA? If the 3 cams are all made the same, why are they all different prices?
T-Rex v.2 242/248 .608/.612 110 LSA 3500-6700 rpm power band $429.99
G5X-3 2XX/2XX .600/.610 112 or 114 LSA $449.00
Magic stick v.3 (MS3) 237/242 .603/.609 113 LSA $399.99
Why on the G5X-3 do they offer 2 different LSAs? On the Magic stick 3, why did they go with an odd ball 113 LSA? If the 3 cams are all made the same, why are they all different prices?
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Originally Posted by BlackBeaSSt
All 3 cams have different specs, so one has to be better than the other and there has to be a best. I dont know much about the Magic stick 3, but obviously this cam is recommended if you wanna hit 10s N/A cam only. All 3 cams can be a "good" choice, but what would be the best choice? Are the G5X-3 specs still unknown? Do any of these cams have to be retarded or advanced, or do you install them straight up? I wanna pick the right cam because I dont plan on changing cams again until I do a heads and cam package. I know all these cams are close, but which one is going to give me the best chance at hitting 10s? By the way, is there any difference between the cams the way they behave in normal driving? Thanks.
T-Rex v.2 242/248 .608/.612 110 LSA 3500-6700 rpm power band $429.99
G5X-3 2XX/2XX .600/.610 112 or 114 LSA $449.00
Magic stick v.3 (MS3) 237/242 .603/.609 113 LSA $399.99
Why on the G5X-3 do they offer 2 different LSAs? On the Magic stick 3, why did they go with an odd ball 113 LSA? If the 3 cams are all made the same, why are they all different prices?
T-Rex v.2 242/248 .608/.612 110 LSA 3500-6700 rpm power band $429.99
G5X-3 2XX/2XX .600/.610 112 or 114 LSA $449.00
Magic stick v.3 (MS3) 237/242 .603/.609 113 LSA $399.99
Why on the G5X-3 do they offer 2 different LSAs? On the Magic stick 3, why did they go with an odd ball 113 LSA? If the 3 cams are all made the same, why are they all different prices?
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T-Rex is biggest with the fastest lobes. It has the most valve area under the curve while still not requiring piston flycuts. If max ET is your goal, then this is your cam.
FWIW, any of the 3 cams listed will hit the 10s as long as your weight is low and you have the right combination of parts. Once you go this big, there is diminishing returns. There's not a tenth of ET difference between these 3 cams IMO. The G5X3 will be the most streetable. If your goal is dual purpose (street/strip), then pick the G5X3. If your goal is purely speed and damn the torpedos, then go for the T-Rex.
Like I said, all 3 will get you 10s. Pick one.
FWIW, any of the 3 cams listed will hit the 10s as long as your weight is low and you have the right combination of parts. Once you go this big, there is diminishing returns. There's not a tenth of ET difference between these 3 cams IMO. The G5X3 will be the most streetable. If your goal is dual purpose (street/strip), then pick the G5X3. If your goal is purely speed and damn the torpedos, then go for the T-Rex.
Like I said, all 3 will get you 10s. Pick one.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
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I have never seen any dyno graphs but i love the TSP MS.
EDIT...Sorry i ment to say the other 2. I have seen one on the Magic Stick, and it put out great # under the curve. I dont know about the rest.
EDIT...Sorry i ment to say the other 2. I have seen one on the Magic Stick, and it put out great # under the curve. I dont know about the rest.
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Originally Posted by hellbents10
BTW T-rex for pure track power.
I dont think Id have a problem daily driving the trex cam but would get sick of the gas mileage.
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I street my trex every day. I love it. Generally you can say that the higher the LSA the better (less choppy) it idles. My trex is on a 109. The trex will make the most power, then the GX, and then the MS.
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I Completely disagree with that post.
I seriously doubt the MS3 would make the least power of the 3 cams.
The ms3 was designed to create big power while offering good driveability. The 113 lobe seperation not only helps idle, it also helps piston to valve clearance. All three are great camshafts, but stating the MS3 would make the least power of the three is far from correct. IMHO
Here's a dyno graph from a recent CUSTOMERS car that made pretty good power from a MS3
http://www.texas-speed.com/images/ms3.jpg
Peaks by 6400-6500 rpm
GOOD piston to valve clearance
113 lobe seperation that helps daily driveability & P/V
All & all I agree with Patrick G, there's probably not a tenth of difference between the camshafts on a all out setup. You can't really go wrong with any of the camshafts your talking about
What we should really be talking about is how often you use the car, what size converter, goals for the car...etc... That's the best way to pick which camshaft is for you.
I seriously doubt the MS3 would make the least power of the 3 cams.
The ms3 was designed to create big power while offering good driveability. The 113 lobe seperation not only helps idle, it also helps piston to valve clearance. All three are great camshafts, but stating the MS3 would make the least power of the three is far from correct. IMHO
Here's a dyno graph from a recent CUSTOMERS car that made pretty good power from a MS3
http://www.texas-speed.com/images/ms3.jpg
Peaks by 6400-6500 rpm
GOOD piston to valve clearance
113 lobe seperation that helps daily driveability & P/V
All & all I agree with Patrick G, there's probably not a tenth of difference between the camshafts on a all out setup. You can't really go wrong with any of the camshafts your talking about
What we should really be talking about is how often you use the car, what size converter, goals for the car...etc... That's the best way to pick which camshaft is for you.
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I meant no disrespect to you, your company or your cam. You make great products and I will continue to buy from TSP. I agree when you say all three cams are great cams but let me get this straight. Your saying that I can swap the MS3 out with my TRex and get more power...?
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Well I dont use the car very much because its always down because Im always making changes. My goal for the car is 10s, but I wanna go as fast as I can with stock heads, stock bottom end, naturally aspirated. I want a cam for these (my) mods:
Fast Toys ram air kit
K&N air filter
Texas Speed & Performance air lid
Granatelli MAF
SLP high flow bellow
Bauer Racing ported & polished throttle body
LS6 intake manifold
NGK TR-55s
Holley 9mm wires
Kooks 1 3/4" stainless steel long tube headers
Custom 3" true duals w/Dynomax bullets dumped
ASP underdrive crank pulley
Meziere electric water pump
MTI C2 cam (224/.581/112)
Manley valvetrain kit
AMW oil catch can
Billingsley ABS delete block
Century 200-4R w/all options
Yank PT4400
TCI flexplate
Hal shocks in a 4 corners w/R series in front
Spohn-LCAs, PHB, TA, SFCs, & 25mm rear sway bar all in chromoly
BMR-K-member, upper & lower a-arms, & relocation brackets
Airlift airbag
Prothane motor mounts
Energy Suspension tranmission mount
Denny's nitrous ready driveshaft
Strange 12 bolt w/4.10
Bogarts-15x10/ET Drags 15x4/165R
Wolfe chromoly 6 point weld-in roll bar
Weight reduction
Fast Toys ram air kit
K&N air filter
Texas Speed & Performance air lid
Granatelli MAF
SLP high flow bellow
Bauer Racing ported & polished throttle body
LS6 intake manifold
NGK TR-55s
Holley 9mm wires
Kooks 1 3/4" stainless steel long tube headers
Custom 3" true duals w/Dynomax bullets dumped
ASP underdrive crank pulley
Meziere electric water pump
MTI C2 cam (224/.581/112)
Manley valvetrain kit
AMW oil catch can
Billingsley ABS delete block
Century 200-4R w/all options
Yank PT4400
TCI flexplate
Hal shocks in a 4 corners w/R series in front
Spohn-LCAs, PHB, TA, SFCs, & 25mm rear sway bar all in chromoly
BMR-K-member, upper & lower a-arms, & relocation brackets
Airlift airbag
Prothane motor mounts
Energy Suspension tranmission mount
Denny's nitrous ready driveshaft
Strange 12 bolt w/4.10
Bogarts-15x10/ET Drags 15x4/165R
Wolfe chromoly 6 point weld-in roll bar
Weight reduction