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Old 12-07-2005, 03:58 PM
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Well, I was looking to save some cash and send my stock LS1 heads out to get worked on.. How much $$ is the norm to turn the stockers into a CNC'd stage III's?
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The cost will vary from company to company. Just choose a sponsor that does head work from the sponsor list to the right of your screen. You can usually find pricing and specs on their websites. You could also call them to get specific information.
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Originally Posted by Gold Z
The cost will vary from company to company. Just choose a sponsor that does head work from the sponsor list to the right of your screen. You can usually find pricing and specs on their websites. You could also call them to get specific information.

Yea, I hear ya.. Just wondering if anyone else has done this (which I am sure they have). If so, how much, where at, what gains, etc.. Just trying to get more info on it.. OR, IF ANY VENDORS WANT TO POST UP would be great!
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I have heard that you can be looking at well over $1000.00 from the bigger more well known shops. How bout Patriot heads?

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Originally Posted by USMC Devil Dog
I have heard that you can be looking at well over $1000.00 from the bigger more well known shops. How bout Patriot heads?

Rob

PP head are what, 1100 to 1200. So, Why not have someone CNC/port my stockers for that much to a stage III's for the same amount of money. Thats what I am trying to find out?

If they are offering new casting and ready to go for that much (CNC's and assembled). Then why cant I send them my heads to do they same thing for less money (what they paid to get the bare heads)..
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Quotes I got ranged from $800 to $1100 for stage II work, which included the port/polish/mill, and spring/retainer/etc upgrade. Remember to factor in shipping to and from.

Couldn't tell ya what stage III would run, but since it's not standardized, the range is probably greater.

Why are you looking for stage III in particular? In other words, what other engine work do you have planned to justify the expense of stage III head work?

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Originally Posted by Raymond K. Hessell
Quotes I got ranged from $800 to $1100 for stage II work, which included the port/polish/mill, and spring/retainer/etc upgrade. Remember to factor in shipping to and from.

Couldn't tell ya what stage III would run, but since it's not standardized, the range is probably greater.

Why are you looking for stage III in particular? In other words, what other engine work do you have planned to justify the expense of stage III head work?

Was just looking ahead. Once this motor lets go, I am looking at going 400+ CI motor. With that said, I will have the heads ready to swap over.
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Our stage 1 CNC ported LS1 heads are $1799/pr and are assembled with lightweight valves. No core is necessary. Valvetrain dynamics have been tested on the Optron valvetrain dynamics spin test cell.
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Originally Posted by Katech
Our stage 1 CNC ported LS1 heads are $1799/pr and are assembled with lightweight valves. No core is necessary. Valvetrain dynamics have been tested on the Optron valvetrain dynamics spin test cell.
So, how much will I save if I send you my stockers?
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We can do them for you. The price is $1295.00 and no core is nessesary. Also here is a list of what is included with them, and the flow sheet data.


Parts List:

Heads: GM LS1 5.7 Castings
Intake Valves: REV 2.020” Super Duty Valves
Exhaust Valves: REV 1.570” Super Duty Valves
Valve Springs: REV 1.290” Dual Springs .620” Lift
Retainer: REV Titanium Retainers
Spring Locator: ETP Custom Hardened Locators
Valve Lock: GM Stock
Valve Guides: Stock Guides
Valve Seats: GM Stock
Valve Seals: Viton Medal Clad Seals

Head Information:

Intake Port Volume: 224cc
Combustion Chamber: AS CAST 67cc



Valve Lift Intake Exhaust
.100” 68 56
.200” 143 112
.300” 196 158
.400” 247 190
.500” 280 206
.550” 292 210
.600” 303 214
.650” 307 216
.700” 311 218

Flow Notes:
Bore Size #1: 3.900”
Test Pressure: 28” Water
Exhaust Pipe: No Pipe Used
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Originally Posted by GregP@ETPerformance
We can do them for you. The price is $1295.00 and no core is nessesary. Also here is a list of what is included with them, and the flow sheet data.


Parts List:

Heads: GM LS1 5.7 Castings
Intake Valves: REV 2.020” Super Duty Valves
Exhaust Valves: REV 1.570” Super Duty Valves
Valve Springs: REV 1.290” Dual Springs .620” Lift
Retainer: REV Titanium Retainers
Spring Locator: ETP Custom Hardened Locators
Valve Lock: GM Stock
Valve Guides: Stock Guides
Valve Seats: GM Stock
Valve Seals: Viton Medal Clad Seals

Head Information:

Intake Port Volume: 224cc
Combustion Chamber: AS CAST 67cc



Valve Lift Intake Exhaust
.100” 68 56
.200” 143 112
.300” 196 158
.400” 247 190
.500” 280 206
.550” 292 210
.600” 303 214
.650” 307 216
.700” 311 218

Flow Notes:
Bore Size #1: 3.900”
Test Pressure: 28” Water
Exhaust Pipe: No Pipe Used

So Greg, will I save any money if I sent you my cores? And above, is that what they call a Stage I?
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Originally Posted by waterbug1999
PP head are what, 1100 to 1200. So, Why not have someone CNC/port my stockers for that much to a stage III's for the same amount of money. Thats what I am trying to find out?

If they are offering new casting and ready to go for that much (CNC's and assembled). Then why cant I send them my heads to do they same thing for less money (what they paid to get the bare heads)..

I think you may have forgotten that the patriots are assembled 6.0L LS6 style heads that flow quite a bit more then the 241s (I'm taking it that you have the older castings which are not the 241s) as well as a smaller combustion chamber 59CC instead of 64cc (I think ). With the added power of the LS6 heads I don't see why you would rather use the LS1 heads? Its been over a year or so since being in the H/C game so I would have to read up I may be wrong. Research it for a while and talk to the sponsors as well. Have you looked into 4.8/5.3 heads?

Good luck!

Rob

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You may not save much having your own ported. LS1 heads are going for about 200 on the board. Most shops only give you about $200-$400 for the cores.
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Originally Posted by waterbug1999
With that said, I will have the heads ready to swap over.
I wouldn't bet the farm on that. If you throw a rod and smack a piston into the head you may be getting the heads done again. You can usually salvage them in this case, but it's not like you can just bolt them on and go. Or you can be really lucky like me and throw two rods smacking each head.




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