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Old 03-10-2010, 11:27 PM
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Question Building a iron 370.... buy a new block or search for used block.. Pros/Cons?

Im getting ready to start a motor build and Ive decided on a forged iron block 370.

My first instinct is to get a brand new block as they are cheap as hell new. However I have heard that a "seasoned" (insert USED) iron block is a better choice due to it being heat cycled already and less prone to distortion over time or during break in because its been used.

It seems a relatively low mile used LQX short block can be had for the same as a new LQX bare block new.... my thoughts are its a win win because a used short block comes with all the nick-knack bolts/covers that can be reused on a build. If there is truth to using a "seasoned" block then this makes the decision a no brainer.

Anyone care to share thoughts on this?

Thanks in advance...

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avengeance, i am doing the used block. just to have sensors,pan, covers,rockerarms,etc.... hopeing for a painless 5.3to 6.0 swap

i have also heard pros about using a rebuildable seasoned block, also curious as to what others will say.
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Originally Posted by Avengeance
Im getting ready to start a motor build and Ive decided on a forged iron block 370.

My first instinct is to get a brand new block as they are cheap as hell new. However I have heard that a "seasoned" (insert USED) iron block is a better choice due to it being heat cycled already and less prone to distortion over time or during break in because its been used.

It seems a relatively low mile used LQX short block can be had for the same as a new LQX bare block new.... my thoughts are its a win win because a used short block comes with all the nick-knack bolts/covers that can be reused on a build. If there is truth to using a "seasoned" block then this makes the decision a no brainer.

Anyone care to share thoughts on this? Thanks in advance...
i have a new, fully machined iron block forsale, with the exception of a hone for fitting of the pistons. comes with front, rear and valley cover. also ARP main studs.

here is the link....

https://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-cla...ain-studs.html
Old 03-11-2010, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jim1450
i know they are different animals but Pro Stock and NASCAR use new, I would go and did use new
And where exactly would teams from these two racing leagues pick up their used blocks?
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Used can be slightly better as long as block isn't really used and cracked and overheated etc. All brand new blocks will move a tiny bit as they age and take a set and stabilize. NASCAR and PS stuff is new but also is stress relieved and gets freshened now and then by the time they run down the track.
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Originally Posted by racer7088
Used can be slightly better as long as block isn't really used and cracked and overheated etc. All brand new blocks will move a tiny bit as they age and take a set and stabilize. NASCAR and PS stuff is new but also is stress relieved and gets freshened now and then by the time they run down the track.
I agree with the used block as long as it does not have really high miles, cracked, or overheated.

A new block is a great option and will have to do some research before any future builds.
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Smokey Yunick used to bury blocks in the ground to season 'em, he claimed the corrosion actually hardened the blocks.
I believe I'll pass.
For most of us, there's not enough difference in dimensional stability between a new and seasoned block to worry about.
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Originally Posted by Busted Knuckles
Smokey Yunick used to bury blocks in the ground to season 'em, he claimed the corrosion actually hardened the blocks.
I believe I'll pass.
For most of us, there's not enough difference in dimensional stability between a new and seasoned block to worry about.
I believe this was a trick he learned from the Brits iirc it was Rolls Royce aircraft engine builders who started doing this first.

Regardless I wouldnt lose sleep either which way over it. I'd be MUCH more concerned about who puts it together and does your machine work than I would be about block integrity. Human error is a LOT more prevalent in engine failures than seasoned vs unseasoned iron stability
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I have a used Block..it was a 13k miles Junk Yard Engine that had a Piston Slap issue.

I don't have any problems with it..
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A used block that wasn't beat up too bad is a good choice. Lots of sponsors sell new shortblocks using "seasoned" blocks.



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