Gen 5 Camaro Internal Engine Tech - LOL @ my dealership

Im from Zanesville Ohio, we only have 1 GM dealership in the area. Im not in the market to buy a '10 but I seen they finally had a V8 so I stopped today to check it out. The car was a silver SS with the body kit, 4 pack, stripes (thats all I really noticed). A salesman was standing outside, he said hello and I asked what the sticker price was. He said "40 plus 10". WHAT!? Im assuming he was talking about 40,000 for the car and a 10,000 dealer markup? That is R E T A R D E D. What are they trying to do, sell Vettes?

Thats when you get the salesmans name and slam the shit out of them and the stealership on the internet for being morons. Dont these dumdums know the more cars they sell the more allotments they get next year?

Im from Zanesville Ohio, we only have 1 GM dealership in the area. Im not in the market to buy a '10 but I seen they finally had a V8 so I stopped today to check it out. The car was a silver SS with the body kit, 4 pack, stripes (thats all I really noticed). A salesman was standing outside, he said hello and I asked what the sticker price was. He said "40 plus 10". WHAT!? Im assuming he was talking about 40,000 for the car and a 10,000 dealer markup? That is R E T A R D E D. What are they trying to do, sell Vettes?

there is an old saying in sales

"if you dont ask for it, you will never get it"

someone will pay 10 grand over retail, believe it or not there are alot of people with alot of money and some of these people feel that if they want something it doesnt matter how much it cost

do you blame someone for trying to make some money???

you said this is the only GM dealer in the area, and they have only one SS, its supply and demand. go to marketing school or a highend sales job and you will understand

and if worst comes to worst, then they dont sell it for 10 grand over they will sell it for 5 or 2 grand over maybe even msrp

look, there are tons of people that would be more than happy to pay msrp to get an SS 4 months from now, and if they could have it now they might pay 10 grand extra to get it

i understand if you dont understand, but if a doctor or lawyer in this area wanted a silver SS they will pay 10k over for it ;)

Thats when you get the salesmans name and slam the shit out of them and the stealership on the internet for being morons. Dont these dumdums know the more cars they sell the more allotments they get next year?

here's the thing, the cheaper you sell the car the less money the dealership makes, and they have alot of bills to pay and alot of people that work there they all have alot of bills to pay and family to feed

yeah lets not make hardly anything on something thats in real high demand and nobody in this area has one..... thats stupid business

yeah lets sell everything for cost so we can get more allowed next year..... thats stupid business as well

why do you think so many dealers went out of business??? cuz of the economy right???

NO, cuz of this exact business tactic, if you sell everything for cost or barely over then there is no money put back into the business, all the profit goes to the banks for interest on all the inventory that you increase year after year cuz you are trying to out do what you did last year to get more allowance

this is stupid business, dealerships outgrow themselves and have too many bills to pay and too much owed on their doubled inventory and interest that is charging every month, and when the buyers slow down, well you still have the same amount of bills but without the income

and then we have thousands of dealerships go out of business because of this business tactic

no money put back into the business, sell everything cheap, and have too much interest owed on too much inventory

MSRP isnt cost.

Dealers cost on a 2ss is like 30.5k. MSRP is 33.4k.

So you can sell one at 10k over and make 13k or sell many of them and make ???

Not to mention that 1 you sell at 10k over may sit on your lot for months. So instead of having a possible customer you have probably dozens of people thinking your stealership is full of douchebags when the dealer down the block sells for msrp.

Sure you can have it sit on your lot like a jag for 4 months or you could flip them out the door and get new ones faster....along with good word of mouth. Dealers are lying saying they are only building so many cars then they wont have any more, to try and sell at a higher price.

But hey, what do I know. My whole family has only been in the car business since before I was born.

he said hello and I asked what the sticker price was. He said "40 plus 10".

Consider it sold. I'll give them the 50 bucks for it.

:P

you said this is the only GM dealer in the area, and they have only one SS, its supply and demand. go to marketing school or a highend sales job and you will understand

and if worst comes to worst, then they dont sell it for 10 grand over they will sell it for 5 or 2 grand over maybe even msrp

Do you actually believe that bullshit? it is NOT supply and demand, its greed. i can guarantee you that if dealer A has 10 cars that they sell @ MSRP of 33.4K and a cost of 30.5K, thats 2.9K/car sold. They sell all ten in one month and thats 29K in one month.

dealer B has the same 10 cars, right down to the build options, IDENTICAL CARS.
They want MSRP (33.4K) PLUS 10K (43.4K) thats gives them 12.9K for ONE car. IF they sold all 10 then kudos for finding 10 dumbasses to pay that and making that 129K in that month. BUT that will never happen.

dealer A is obviously going to sell all the cars they have and dealer B is going to sell maybe 2 or three.

B may make more money in that one month, but GM is looking for SALES.
And when the 2011 camaro comes, A will get a much higher number of them than B, It's funny how people dont realize that if they would just WAIT to buy, the dealers would realize that WE have the power, not them. but there are the people that want reguardless and they throw money at the pricks to get what they want, driving prices up and making the car unattainable for more and more people every day.



i understand if you dont understand, but if a doctor or lawyer in this area wanted a silver SS they will pay 10k over for it ;)


I would be willing to bet that they would call another dealer selling at MSRP and have it SHIPPED directly to them at home. hell that would be less than 10K to do that and it would give them the feeling that they are actually more important than everyone else.

The first dealer I went to said 5K over sticker ( I've bought 4 cars here). Shopped around and found one who is selling me one for sticker. What really sucks is that GM was bailed out with our tax money which makes us part owners.

I see alot of points fom everyone. But I just wanted to point out that a local dealership here said that in Indiana each dealership is lonly promised 11 for ALL of 2009! Which is dumb IMO, but if true I see why the dealership would ask 10K over sticker. And if it's not true then thats just INSANE to ask for $10k more than msrp. My .02
And like I said, a salesman I was talking to said this a few months back and he KNEW that I was just there to check it out and NOT to make a purchase. So I hope he was not lying, but who knows???

Anybody know if this is true or not?

Dunno...my buddy is MCMC, he owns Mike Carlson Motor Company.... He says its just business, and the reality is that ppl pay these prices on new "Hot" cars. Hes good friends with the owner of Bruce Lowerie Chevrolet and says they usually run this way for a good 12 months...then you'll see MSRP prices. Although Bruce Lowerie sells at MSRP, he understands the others decision.

Good news is..when im ready to buy......(Never buy brand new model Year :) ) I can get a great deal.....around 30k for a 2SS/RS///whoo hoooo. Ill wait to see, no rush.

Im from Zanesville Ohio, we only have 1 GM dealership in the area. Im not in the market to buy a '10 but I seen they finally had a V8 so I stopped today to check it out. The car was a silver SS with the body kit, 4 pack, stripes (thats all I really noticed). A salesman was standing outside, he said hello and I asked what the sticker price was. He said "40 plus 10". WHAT!? Im assuming he was talking about 40,000 for the car and a 10,000 dealer markup? That is R E T A R D E D. What are they trying to do, sell Vettes?

Sales people don't set the prices on cars, go smack the new car sales manager. If you think salespeople are douches go check out the managers...shit rolls downhill dude.

The days of "market adjustments" are over. It just takes a while for that message to trickle down into the smaller, more isolated dealerships. There are dealers all over the place selling for MSRP...and some will even honor available discount programs. Thanks to the internet, smart buyers know they exist. You can call it supply and demand if you'd like, but "market adjustments" are greed...pure and simple.

It's a highly desirable new car that just came out so a lot of dealers are gonna rip people off. In 1 yr you'll be able to buy one without markup most anywhere.

there is an old saying in sales

you said this is the only GM dealer in the area, and they have only one SS, its supply and demand. go to marketing school or a highend sales job and you will understand



Before you get cocky you may want to know I have a bachelors in business, starting on my masters Tuesday, but thanks for the info! :burn:

Before you get cocky you may want to know I have a bachelors in business, starting on my masters Tuesday, but thanks for the info! :burn:

i have my masters in finance, and for 2008 i was the council of excellence award winner and ranked 6th in the united states for finance management with american honda finance corp.

all the people saying its not supply and demand are stupid, there isnt much choice out there and most people have to order the car equipped the way they want

in addition to you saying its the ONLY GM DEALERSHIP around the area and THE ONLY SS available..... if thats not supply and demand then what is???

there might be someone around that wants one and dosent care how much it cost..... and if you dont ask for it then you wont get it

here is something stupid for ya, the toyota dealership next door to us had their prius marked up $15,000 over msrp. and guess what..... they sold all three

do you realize how much fuel you could buy with $15,000 dollars??? we sold civics to prius buyers cuz they could save all the mark up money for fuel cost

but in the end the toyota dealership was only going to get 3 for the whole year, and alot of people were wanting that car..... so they all sold for 15k over, the right buyer dosent care how much, there are people that have more money then they know what to do with and it dosent bother them to spend money, but to the average joe's its highway robbery

whats funny is you would think that prius buyers would be a person wanting to save money, save on fuel cost, and you would think these buyers would be ultra conservative and wouldnt spend $15,000 over msrp to save less than that on fuel cost..... it would cancel itself out wouldnt it??? at 4 bucks a gallon thats 3,750 gallons of gas and at 40mpg thats 150,000 miles of driving that $15,000 of fuel would provide

but like i said some people just dont care, even conservative people.....

Before you get cocky you may want to know I have a bachelors in business, starting on my masters Tuesday, but thanks for the info! :burn:

i have my masters in finance, and for 2008 i was the council of excellence award winner and ranked 6th in the united states for finance management with american honda finance corp.

all the people saying its not supply and demand are stupid, there isnt much choice out there and most people have to order the car equipped the way they want

in addition to you saying its the ONLY GM DEALERSHIP around the area and THE ONLY SS available..... if thats not supply and demand then what is???

there might be someone around that wants one and dosent care how much it cost..... and if you dont ask for it then you wont get it

here is something stupid for ya, the toyota dealership next door to us had their prius marked up $15,000 over msrp. and guess what..... they sold all three

do you realize how much fuel you could buy with $15,000 dollars??? we sold civics to prius buyers cuz they could save all the mark up money for fuel cost

but in the end the toyota dealership was only going to get 3 for the whole year, and alot of people were wanting that car..... so they all sold for 15k over, the right buyer dosent care how much, there are people that have more money then they know what to do with and it dosent bother them to spend money, but to the average joe's its highway robbery

whats funny is you would think that prius buyers would be a person wanting to save money, save on fuel cost, and you would think these buyers would be ultra conservative and wouldnt spend $15,000 over msrp to save less than that on fuel cost..... it would cancel itself out wouldnt it??? at 4 bucks a gallon thats 3,750 gallons of gas and at 40mpg thats 150,000 miles of driving that $15,000 of fuel would provide

but like i said some people just dont care, even conservative people.....

I have a bigger penis.

:wrongforu

I have a bigger penis.

Yea me too. Plus Im not angry, I hope graduate school dont do that to me. Its your story tho bud.

only $50k!? theres a white SS in my area for $60,000

only $50k!? theres a white SS in my area for $60,000

Is that American or Canadian dollars?
$60k???????????

we're talking Z06 for that kind of money.

There is a small dealer down the road from me by the name Master Cars that has been getting a few SS's in stock every now and then. They have a 10k markup as well. I stopped by to just take a look (my first time seeing one in person) and the salesman was trying to tell me that the car had the 436hp ls2 in it. I had to take my time to educate the idiot that the car was equipped with a 400 hp vesion of the ls3 known as the L99 (being an auto version). Car dealers sicken me and somehow this place has stayed in business. Not to long ago they sold a c6 vette to a man that didn't have insurance or even a valid license and two days later killed 2 people while drinking and driving. I have no pitty for businesses like this. I am actually glad that the American car industry is where it is for the sheer fact that hopefully the weaker price gouging dealerships are dropped and stick to something their simple minds can handle, like selling diapers or something. If you look hard enough you can get a "deal" on a new SS. There is another dealership close to me that has 2 SS's on the lot for 1k under msrp. They get my vote and my $, cause the biggest slap in the face i can do to other dealerships is just to not buy there.

moral of the story: research before you buy, many places these days are full of idiots, it'll pay off in the end

edit: what are the odds of this... theres a story in the local news again about the same guy i used in my story above. And i also have a degree, so does most anyone else these days.
http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/914132.html

I have a bigger penis.

Haha. No $hit. The internets are serious business.

I have a business degree too, which makes me lol at their comments. Business degree = cookie cutter piece of paper (as with nearly every other degree).

Before you get cocky you may want to know I have a bachelors in business, starting on my masters Tuesday, but thanks for the info! :burn:

And with all that knowledge, bachelors degree in business, you went to ONE Chevrolet dealer with one SS - and asked what the sticker price was?

Since I was in the auto business for over 40 years. I'll bet the sales associate knew you weren't a buyer...................... Why waste the UP on a flake? I'll blow this guy off the lot and try and find a customer that I can turn into a buyer.

Every dealer in Dayton Ohio will sell you THAT vehicle at sticker. If you're a buyer, with credit, perhaps they will sell for less. Why run any dealer under the bus? What the hell did you expect in a one horse town MR.business major? Why didn't you go there when they were closed? These sales associates set on their ass for 12 hr. each day. They have a family and bills to pay. Again, why did you waste their time if you weren't serious?

I'll bet you'll find the price of hardware at your local hardware store is more than a Lowes. :google:

Love you looking - hope you get one someday!!:burn:

And with all that knowledge, bachelors degree in business, you went to ONE Chevrolet dealer with one SS - and asked what the sticker price was?

They have a family and bills to pay. Again, why did you waste their time if you weren't serious?

Love you looking - hope you get one someday!!:burn:

You have to be the biggest idiot douchebag dumbass of all time. That may be the stupidest reply I have seen to a thread in 3 years on here!

We were out shopping wasting time before dinner so I pulled up 15 foot beside it and made a quick walk around, the salespeople with "families" (god youre a fucking idiot) were standing outside SMOKING AND LISTENING TO THE OHIO STATE GAME ON THE RADIO, dickhead. Obviously they wasted MY TIME. I do not want a new Camaro, for that price I would get a Vette, or Caddy! Plus they are slower than my 98! What good is that gonna do me???

:swing: GET OFF MY NUTS

People in this thread need to chill out. :eyes: Consider this everyone's one warning.

People in this thread need to chill out. :eyes: Consider this everyone's one warning.

Can I still have the bigger penis:confused:

I cant belive theres still people asking over sticker for them. I was at Classic Chevy here in houston the other day and they had 3 V8s that were at MSRP.

Can I still have the bigger penis:confused:

you have the biggest,
I have the second biggest:judge:

[QUOTE=1998Z28LOADED;12192552]You have to be the biggest idiot douchebag dumbass of all time. That may be the stupidest reply I have seen to a thread in 3 years on here! :usa:

We were out shopping wasting time "THAT'S THE SMARTEST THING YOU'VE SAID - HICK TOWN MAYOR!!" before dinner so I pulled up 15 foot beside it and made a quick walk around, the salespeople with "families" (god youre a fucking idiot) "MR DEGREE GUY - IT'S "YOU'RE" NOT YOURE" :hail: were standing outside SMOKING AND LISTENING TO THE OHIO STATE GAME ON THE RADIO, dickhead. " "WASN'T PERMITTED TO SMOKE AT THE GAME BUT I WAS THERE. - GOING AGAIN SATURDAY" :cool: Obviously they wasted MY TIME. I do not want a new Camaro, for that price I would get a Vette, or Caddy! " A USED VETTE OR A V6 CADDY RIGHT?" Plus they are slower than my 98! "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? DEGREE GUY?" What good is that gonna do me??? "IF I FOUND A 2010 CAMARO FOR YOU TO RACE AT NATIONAL TRAIL HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO BET YOU WOULDN'T WIN?"

NATIONAL TRAIL IS HAVING AN EVENT THIS FRIDAY - IT'S CALLED KING OF COLUMBUS - DRAG YOUR ASS OVER THERE AND SHOW ME HOW FAST YOUR CAR IS!

And don't post here again. You can do it directly TO ME. Grab your balls boy - I'll hand you your ass any day of the week!!

NATIONAL TRAIL IS HAVING AN EVENT THIS FRIDAY - IT'S CALLED KING OF COLUMBUS - DRAG YOUR ASS OVER THERE AND SHOW ME HOW FAST YOUR CAR IS!

And don't post here again. You can do it directly TO ME. Grab your balls boy - I'll hand you your ass any day of the week!!

What a douchebag. If I was a mod I would ban you. I don't give a shit if your car can do the 1/4 in 2 seconds.

You have to be the biggest idiot douchebag dumbass of all time. That may be the stupidest reply I have seen to a thread in 3 years on here!

We were out shopping wasting time before dinner so I pulled up 15 foot beside it and made a quick walk around, the salespeople with "families" (god youre a fucking idiot) were standing outside SMOKING AND LISTENING TO THE OHIO STATE GAME ON THE RADIO, dickhead. Obviously they wasted MY TIME. I do not want a new Camaro, for that price I would get a Vette, or Caddy! Plus they are slower than my 98! What good is that gonna do me???

:swing: GET OFF MY NUTS

waaahhhhh waaaahhhhh waaaahhhhh

What a douchebag. If I was a mod I would ban you. I don't give a shit if your car can do the 1/4 in 2 seconds.

To all you Dudes and Moderators:

God, it is so hard to have an opinion at his web site. I am a mullet:mullet:

J-R10-5 looks like a new kid on the block and at this web page: Far from the truth! :judge:

My opinion comes from 50 years of Drag Racing - 40 years in the Auto Industry - 10 Years selling Chevrolets. I can prove all of this but it really doesn't matter. I enjoy posting - being retired I have lots of free time.

Perhaps I need to take a picture of my GM Ring with its Chevrolet emblem and diamonds. Anyone in auto industry knows what this identifies.

Back to why I posted to this thread: I hate people who waste PROFESSIONAL automobile sales associates time............. This industry isn't fun any longer. There is too much bull shit from GM - too many rules - not worth the time - and doesn't pay well enough today. ie I am retired lets go racing.

I am really a nice guy - trust me! :usa:

When someone calls me out guess what? I felt the guy from Ohio's post to my reply calling me out. Right or wrong lets not try and measure cocks on the internet. We can do in person - PM me.............

50 years of Drag Racing including match racing has taught me the folliowing:
The original poster said his older Camaro was faster than GM's 2010 Camaro SS. I didn't build the 2010 Camaro. I haven't sold a 2010 Camaro. My wife has one - but it's her car - I won't race it - don't need to. GM has tested this car. Every magazine has tested this car. But no one can make a statement that thier car is always faster than other folks cars and not have me call them out. Again, my opinion. Comes from being an old guy I guess. An old guy with an opinion.

An old guy that is going to National Trail Friday. Going to watch King of the Columbus - not race. Going to watch some folks I've followed for several years. Going to see who I might know and say Hi to.

Sorry Dudes if I pissed anyone off. I don't belong in this section - I don't need to post. I have nothing to prove. Sorry, I still have an opinion.

Thanks Jake and Rick

ok............ I think you both sound like your 15....


Just my opinion

J-R10-5,

Are you by any chance the same guy named "Jakes Dad" or something with all the dogs?

and this thread is done.