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Old 08-16-2010, 11:46 PM
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I have a 98 Pontiac Formula Firebird that I am starting to drag race on a pretty consistent basis. In 1/4 mile, with current setup (stock with bolt ons) I am running consistently 13.4 @ 103 MPH. I want to hit 11.50 (right before roll bar is required) since I don't want to total the interior of my car. I sold some toys and have $2000 cash to put into the motor. What would you do with 2000 to make the most power? I only have 2 rules, it has to run on pump gas, and no nitrous. I live in a small town and getting racing fuel or NO2 is a 100 mile drive.

Current setup:
Stock LS1,
4L60E transmission
3.73 gears
auburn gear differential
WS6 clone suspension
SLP lid
Exhaust cutout with high flow cats
160 deg thermostat
other free mods
nitto drag radials (getting new tires next year, not a fan)

thanks for the help !
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Originally Posted by jermsalmond
I have a 98 Pontiac Formula Firebird that I am starting to drag race on a pretty consistent basis. In 1/4 mile, with current setup (stock with bolt ons) I am running consistently 13.4 @ 103 MPH. I want to hit 11.50 (right before roll bar is required) since I don't want to total the interior of my car. I sold some toys and have $2000 cash to put into the motor. What would you do with 2000 to make the most power? I only have 2 rules, it has to run on pump gas, and no nitrous. I live in a small town and getting racing fuel or NO2 is a 100 mile drive.

Current setup:
Stock LS1,
4L60E transmission
3.73 gears
auburn gear differential
WS6 clone suspension
SLP lid
Exhaust cutout with high flow cats
160 deg thermostat
other free mods
nitto drag radials (getting new tires next year, not a fan)

thanks for the help !
converter, headers, cam, springs, trans cooler, used fast 90 w/ nw 90mm tb(or ls6 intake) and a tune. just my 0.02
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Converter most definitely first. Looks like you are pretty much stock with a Lid and a cutout with gears. Suspension can hook you with what you have pretty well. I have seen some pretty much SI LS1's with a fully loaded suspension hit high 11's in easy mode.
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stall, headers and some suspension goodies would be right in your budget. and would easily bring you down to some nice low 12s.

after that, save up about another 1000 to 1500 and go cam only. easy 11s on some tires that hook
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stall, headers and some suspension goodies would be right in your budget. and would easily bring you down to some nice low 12s.

after that, save up about another 1000 to 1500 and go cam only. easy 11s on some tires that hook
You give me 1500$ I bet I can get heads+cam+some bolt-ons and installed by myself! But if you dont trust yourself don't attempt it.
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Big stall, cam, long tubes, suspension. 11sec car.
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I'd agree with the guys above who recommend stall/cooler, headers, and then suspension and tires!
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Well you'll need a big cam like a ms3 with supporting mods and gaskets, a converter like a yank ss3600/4000, headers, ls6 intake, ported stock throttle body for $50, and a tune. That should break into the 11's and if you could find parts like the converter used then it should cost about $2000.

Edit: forgot to stress a trans cooler with the converter otherwise you'll need a $2000 built tranny fairly quickly. Also stay away from a FAST 90-92-ect intake. For stock cubes the LS6 intake manifold is more than enough and doesn't cost half your budget like the FAST.
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When you say suspension do you mean drag racing springs and shocks or upgrading the rear link components? Everything else is great info! I will definatly do the converter and headers, but I will need to do some research on a good cam for strip/street use.
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converter with cooler, full exhaust, suspension.
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uhhhhhhhhhh get a rear end...
or finish off your bolt ons.
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Yank SS4000 stall,Pacsetter long tubes & off road-y pipe,Suspension should get u real close to high 11's.
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Originally Posted by jermsalmond
When you say suspension do you mean drag racing springs and shocks or upgrading the rear link components? Everything else is great info! I will definatly do the converter and headers, but I will need to do some research on a good cam for strip/street use.
From what ive seen, drag shocks are a huge benefit. Then Torque arm, LCAs/relo brackets.
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Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed
I'd agree with the guys above who recommend stall/cooler, headers, and then suspension and tires!
+LS6 intake/ported TB; cheap and nice gains. You need to get rid of the LS1 intake ASAP!

I would not drop a FAST unless everything else is done. There are better/cheaper gains to get with your setup first!
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Originally Posted by camz28arro
Well you'll need a big cam like a ms3 with supporting mods and gaskets, a converter like a yank ss3600/4000, headers, ls6 intake, ported stock throttle body for $50, and a tune. That should break into the 11's and if you could find parts like the converter used then it should cost about $2000.

Edit: forgot to stress a trans cooler with the converter otherwise you'll need a $2000 built tranny fairly quickly. Also stay away from a FAST 90-92-ect intake. For stock cubes the LS6 intake manifold is more than enough and doesn't cost half your budget like the FAST.

Wrong...
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Originally Posted by Johnnystock
+LS6 intake/ported TB; cheap and nice gains. You need to get rid of the LS1 intake ASAP!

I would not drop a FAST unless everything else is done. There are better/cheaper gains to get with your setup first!
Oops, I skipped the LS6 intake or assumed it was listed...I agree with that one too!
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Originally Posted by Johnnystock
+LS6 intake/ported TB; cheap and nice gains. You need to get rid of the LS1 intake ASAP!

I would not drop a FAST unless everything else is done. There are better/cheaper gains to get with your setup first!
fast 90 or above i agree, but i see fast 78s floating around for $400 which are worth another 7-8 horsepower over the ls6 which is usually $300. That might be a worthwhile mod since they can be ported and you will see even more gains.
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
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Well it will be easier to get into the 11.50's but not necessary.
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You can get there with a 224 cam if you play your cards right. Big cam doesnt always mean low ET.
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3600 stall, drag radials, LCAs, and 150 shot. mid 11s easy.




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