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Old 01-04-2011, 04:42 PM
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Default 415 CID Shortblock. What do you guys think?

Ok guys, after a hard bit of research and working with some very knowledgeable people we've come to this. Forgetting a previous and rather disastrous thread, I just want advice. CNC-Motorsports is starting with a Fresh LS3 Block. From there they're doing all the usual, (Line Honing, Checking, The Boring, the Balancing of Crank, etc, etc.) They want to do an Eagle 4340 Crank, 4.00" stroke, Clevite bearings to their spec, Eagle 6.125" rods. 4340 too? And then they recommend building it with Diamond Pistons. I asked if they'd slap and they said no because of the cubes not being larger than 420, and they have some sort of special skirts on them. These Pistons also have a 13CC dish which puts me at like 10:5:1, and this engine will be boosted via Magnacharger with 10-12 LBS. And Pat speced me out a nice blower cam. I plan on going with a standard pressure/High volume pump though. Does all of this sound good to you guys? And what all can I expect so far as likely noises?
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Anyone see any changes that may need to happen with this?
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With 10.5 compression, you'd better be running race gas or alcohol injection to get that kind of boost w/o detonation. Otherwise, sounds like a picture-perfect build!
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Thanks, and my plans are only to run about 10* of timing up high on 91 octane pump, but we have an Av Gas station out here good for 103 at my elevation if we wanna get real nitty gritty. This just in though, the cam that was speed is going to drop my compression to 10:3:1
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Any other suggestions and comments are welcome.
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just use a 50/50 meth injection kit for it, its cheap and easy insurance
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I have almost no knowledge of Methanol. Explain 50/50 and where do you get one? Is installation fairly simple? Thanks.
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50/50 Methanol is a mixture of equal parts water and methanol injected as a mist into the intake charge to help cool the intake temperatures. When it's injected as a fine mist, it evaporates, which drops the temperatures dramatically.
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AV gas is a nice octane option, but it will kill your O2s real quick. Just a heads up in case you plan to run O2s and the AV gas.
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Originally Posted by TXCAMSS
AV gas is a nice octane option, but it will kill your O2s real quick. Just a heads up in case you plan to run O2s and the AV gas.
Didn't know that. Grazie.
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Originally Posted by The Alchemist
50/50 Methanol is a mixture of equal parts water and methanol injected as a mist into the intake charge to help cool the intake temperatures. When it's injected as a fine mist, it evaporates, which drops the temperatures dramatically.
Ah, I realized heat may be an issue so I had already concerned low timing being a factor. Especially because the vehicle will see light towing. Cool, I'll look into this.
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AlkyControl is very popular over on the turbobuick board...
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Originally Posted by IDRIVEAG8GT
This just in though, the cam that was speed is going to drop my compression to 10:3:1
how is a cam going to change your compression?
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Surprised nobody has asked what this motor is going in.
That makes a big difference. Should be a torque monster though.
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Originally Posted by Stang's Bane
Surprised nobody has asked what this motor is going in.
That makes a big difference. Should be a torque monster though.
i would assume a G8?
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Originally Posted by 9sec93
how is a cam going to change your compression?
Valve timing I suppose? Cam by Pat so...... Anyone have any insight on how this works? Now I'm curious.
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Originally Posted by 9sec93
i would assume a G8?
Haha my little G8's got plenty of giggity as it is. It's going in an 07 Silvy, Hence why I said light towing
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Originally Posted by IDRIVEAG8GT
Valve timing I suppose? Cam by Pat so...... Anyone have any insight on how this works? Now I'm curious.
it doesnt. cam has nothing to do with compression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio

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Haha my little G8's got plenty of giggity as it is. It's going in an 07 Silvy, Hence why I said light towing
oh nice! i was thinking light towing as in real light, like a jet ski, atv, or something like that behind the G8.
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Originally Posted by 9sec93
how is a cam going to change your compression?
It cannot change static CR, but will definitely have an effect on the dynamic CR. More overlap will lessen dynamic, sometimes to the effect of 5 points difference. I've heard of 13.0:1 static engines having as low as an 8.0:1 dynamic ratio by virtue of the overlap bleeding off compression...
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I don't understand... If this is a ground up build then why not just get an 8.5:1 piston!? An Alky/Water injection is great, but I've known a few back in my turbo days that ran their wiper fluid reservoir ( that's what most use as their container for the Alky/Water mix ) dry and POPPED a piston. I say do it right from the get and get the RIGHT piston dish. Plus Less CR = MORE BOOOOOST!!!


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