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Old 08-28-2011, 08:11 PM
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I have a 95 camaro with a stock 5.3

The 5.3 only has rod bolts, head studs, valve springs and ls6 cam

The speed parts
It has an 85mm t6 1.0ar turbo, non intercooled with water/meth
car made 640 with loose converter

changing the converter this week and going back to the dyno then to the track this weekend I am hoping to run in the 5's first time out and then go from there

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I hope you have a ton of boost on that thing and the car as light as a go-cart.


So you going for the 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile?
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When you say "rod bolts"...


Does that actually count? If im not mistaken, Isnt skinnies on the STOCK rod bolts?
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
I hope you have a ton of boost on that thing and the car as light as a go-cart.


So you going for the 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile?
LOL...this. And if I recall correctly, 1/8 mile doesn't count.
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great to see someone is going after the record but you would need to chop that pig in half to keep up with his RX7. best of luck to ya. Also i do believe ARP rod bolts disqualify you from the stock bottom end bracket.
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Thats what I say. 1/4 or bust. As for 1/8 mile I can't remember if skinnies still had it or the guy with the s10 broke his 1/8 mile time.

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3150 race weight and made 640 on 15lbs driving through converter, planning on pushing to around 25 lbs

There was a gto that made like 825rwhp

I hope the rods will hold up

I am planning on running the 1/4 mile as soon as it is fast enough to beat the 8.9x in the 1/4 with the 1/8th time (5.60's or faster)
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What fuel? You might need more than 25psi to get that 1/8 mile.

If you do get that 1/8 mile it might not stay together for a 1/4 mile pass since it puts more stress on the motor down the stretch

That GTO was done by hellbents on here. It made 825 on 22 psi and shortly thereafter it started to bend the rods. It ran 9.90 and it weighed in at 4000 lbs IIRC
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the gto had a stock lq9 6.0l
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
What fuel? You might need more than 25psi to get that 1/8 mile.

If you do get that 1/8 mile it might not stay together for a 1/4 mile pass since it puts more stress on the motor down the stretch

That GTO was done by hellbents on here. It made 825 on 22 psi and shortly thereafter it started to bend the rods. It ran 9.90 and it weighed in at 4000 lbs IIRC
was on E85 fuel system not big enough switching back to race gas

that is why i am not going to run the 1/4 till I know that i have enough to beat the record

This has been a tuff year for me, I have had nothing but problems but finally getting it sorted out (switching to a tighter converter) and from a leaking air to water to water/meth setup

the car has the new holley efi on it (I love it)
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1CAM
was on E85 fuel system not big enough switching back to race gas

that is why i am not going to run the 1/4 till I know that i have enough to beat the record

This has been a tuff year for me, I have had nothing but problems but finally getting it sorted out (switching to a tighter converter) and from a leaking air to water to water/meth setup

the car has the new holley efi on it (I love it)
Is that the Dominator system? If so what made you go with it instead of BS3, AEM or FAST?
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hey man, good to see you going after a record. it is not technically a stock shortblock since it has the rod bolts, but im still excited to see what it does.

also cool to see another holley efi user. I would recommend you create some failsafes. eg, if the duty cycle goes above X, cut spark and fuel, or if the AFR goes above Y, cut spark and fuel. it is very easy to do. if you need instructions let me know.

looks like your setup is very efficient. I would be interested in seeing your final base table. maybe we can swap tables.

btw, my car is about the same weight as yours at 31-3200lbs and it took 15psi to run 6.04 non intercooled so I think you can do it on less than 20psi.

i cant wait for skinnies to take his car out again. I think i read it was somewhat detuned on the 5.8 pass?
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I always thought on ls1tech that rod bolts were still concidered a stock short block for every other category . I might be wrong but that's what I have seen .
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Rod bolts do not constitute a forged bottom end thus it is still a non-built non forged bottom end. Give the guy a break for having more ***** than most of you for pushing a combo like this to its max....
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Originally Posted by 71 chevy
hey man, good to see you going after a record. it is not technically a stock shortblock since it has the rod bolts, but im still excited to see what it does.

also cool to see another holley efi user. I would recommend you create some failsafes. eg, if the duty cycle goes above X, cut spark and fuel, or if the AFR goes above Y, cut spark and fuel. it is very easy to do. if you need instructions let me know.

looks like your setup is very efficient. I would be interested in seeing your final base table. maybe we can swap tables.

btw, my car is about the same weight as yours at 31-3200lbs and it took 15psi to run 6.04 non intercooled so I think you can do it on less than 20psi.

i cant wait for skinnies to take his car out again. I think i read it was somewhat detuned on the 5.8 pass?
It went the 5.80 on the footbrake, the car won't be out again until spring, been having too much fun with my 4 door sleeper. The rx7 motor is now in my 4 door, probably making around 175rwhp more than it did in the rx7. The rx7 will be lighter next time out and seriously going to try for low 8's at 165+ mph.

Hopefully late September I can take my 4 door to the track I ran my 10.0's at so I can make some more passes in it, shooting for 150+ mph and low 9's. It's definitely not a light car, as it sits its 3700+ lbs, been 142mph on 17.5lbs and now running 24.5lbs(just a single 76 tho), plus will be dropping some weight.
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Skinnies did you happen to look the motor over before it went into the LTD? Any plans to look it over when it goes back in the 7? At least take the pan off and check the bearings and take some pics so we can see what the inside of one of these things looks like after many passes at the strip and the abuse we've thrown at them...
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
Skinnies did you happen to look the motor over before it went into the LTD? Any plans to look it over when it goes back in the 7? At least take the pan off and check the bearings and take some pics so we can see what the inside of one of these things looks like after many passes at the strip and the abuse we've thrown at them...
Pan was off because I changed it to a regular truck pan, but I didn't check the bearings. I do cut open my oil filters every oil change and so far it looks great. I honestly think it will kill a thrust bearing when it lets go. I won't look it over really when it goes back in the rx7 either. Once it starts to go I'll see it in the oil filter.
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so took the trans out to change the converter tonite and found a crack in the tail shock

going to replaced tail shock and get driveshaft balanced

still hope to go out with the car this weeked
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
Is that the Dominator system? If so what made you go with it instead of BS3, AEM or FAST?
my buddy is a dealer for them and what to get it on a car to try it out
plus the cost of the same thing in a bs3 was 5600 compaired to like 3000
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Not to be a nit-picker but everyone is saying the rod bolts disqualify it as being a "stock" short block when I would think the cam makes it less stock than the bolts. To me stock means the way it came from GM. No mods at all. Just sayin.


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