Street Racing & Kill Stories - My Talon vs lS3 C6

I know i know. I drive a talon...
But ls1tech seems to be one of the only online forums that is constantly buzzing with stuff, and is a site full of all the cars i want to beat ;) so, i am here.

Heres a list of mods

95 TSI talon
FWD
rebuilt 2.0 motor
20g turbo
3 inch dump
stock internals just new

e85
tuned by me on DSMlink which is basically a piggyback, but a very in depth and fully capable one.

in this run i was running 25psi falling to 20psi.preturbo leaks. but no excuses its how i ran the car so.
Im ESTIMATING. im in the 330-360whp range. (hard to say because of boost loss etc.) but ive never been to a dyno, this is all airflow/fuelconsumption/IDC etc. benchracing BS. lol


C6 LS3 Vette
Intake
longtubes
Tune
430rwhp

I will shortly be on 28psi ( already fixed the preturbo stuff) and will hopefully be running him again.
40ish mph rolls hes honking.

no speed limits were broken, computer generated speed.
Id love to run anyone with an ls1/lt1/ls2/ls3 or stock ls6. (i dont think on 28psi im coming anywhere near ls7s so.)
Not a ricer just chose 4 cylinders and a turbo over 8. Never had enough coin in my pocket to buy a ls1 car outright so. lol

LSx cars are fast, so for me to be within 4 cars of one makes me feel pretty happy lol. should be alot closer when on 28psi.

sorry for the camera quality on the 2nd one.(girlfriend)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfNLxqrTWvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3bN3DE-Li0




If u guys want me to take it off or w.e ill delete it since I dont drive a lsx car, but it is a ls3 in the video so.

Solid runs there

BTW i dont know if u guys compare xxmph-xxmph times based on datalogs. but my 70-90 on 24psi is 2.69xxx

a 430rwhp c6. is comparable to what in a Fbody? (trying to set up some good races for your viewing pleasure lol)

Not hating on your car at all.You put together a good thread with daytime videos so congrats on that one. He sure did freight train you though lol. Dig runs next time you probably would have done a little better.

lol. not saying he didnt freight train me at all lol. i mean hell prolly 60+whp more, in a car that only weighs maybe 400 more?... (my dsm is a 2900lb car) i was just happy to make it somewhat a race instead of a flyby lol.
and as for digs lol.... im a FWD not awd ;( lol.
he said he trapped i think 116 in the 1/4. seems kinda low? i thought i heard them trapping that stock but i am probably mistaken.

I don't know why your putting yourself down so much, there are plenty of people on here who don't own LSx cars. Just becuase you don't own an American car doesn't mean we think your a ricer! Lol.

You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders and some common sense. We're only mean to the people who act like jackasses haha. Anyways

Your car seems to run well for what power you have. I like the daytime vid, why was the sound so fuzzy though? LS3 C6's are pretty quick, and have good top end. He did pull you pretty good lol.

Looking forward to the run on 28 Psi. Honorable death!

:secret: He does have an American car.

:secret: He does have an American car.

I know, I meant generally speaking :)

Chrysler FTW lawls.

sounds was fuzzy because of a few things..
1. Android phone
2. solid motor mounts with the 3 inch exhaust dumped directly underneath me.

just figure id cover my bases on the nonls1 stuff first lol.
i like to race, talk about racing, get faster, and beat things i didnt once stand a chance against.
it seems in the "racing" world. the LSX car is the given medium lol.
"i beat a turbo honda... oh thats cool...."
"i put 2 cars on a H/C/I F body that dynoed 405whp"...OHHH. i know how fast you are now lol.

Chrysler FTW lawls.

sounds was fuzzy because of a few things..
1. Android phone
2. solid motor mounts with the 3 inch exhaust dumped directly underneath me.

just figure id cover my bases on the nonls1 stuff first lol.
i like to race, talk about racing, get faster, and beat things i didnt once stand a chance against.
it seems in the "racing" world. the LSX car is the given medium lol.
"i beat a turbo honda... oh thats cool...."
"i put 2 cars on a H/C/I F body that dynoed 405whp"...OHHH. i know how fast you are now lol.

Yup I understand that, we like diversity on here too! You'll find a couple other members with Talon's as well. And btw a H/C/I LS1 better be making more than 405whp or something is wrong :D

well lol i guess i have some reading to do lol.
i have a friendly race with a friend whos on here.
ls2 gto boltons gears 364whp i think.
if i can beat him. ill be happy lol. i just hope its not a long shot. lol

I bet your girlfriend wishes she could have been taping from the Vette. :lol:



Good runs though, bring more ammo to the fight next time!

That was a whooping. Like a 1 second+ in the 1/4 mile difference whooping. You had best take on bolton only LS1 fbodies (fbodies are the camaro's and firebirds from 2002 and earlier). It might seem like you weren't that far off from matching him in the video, but trust me when I tell you that you are that far off from matching him.

Chrysler FTW lawls.

sounds was fuzzy because of a few things..
1. Android phone
2. solid motor mounts with the 3 inch exhaust dumped directly underneath me.

just figure id cover my bases on the nonls1 stuff first lol.
i like to race, talk about racing, get faster, and beat things i didnt once stand a chance against.
it seems in the "racing" world. the LSX car is the given medium lol.
"i beat a turbo honda... oh thats cool...."
"i put 2 cars on a H/C/I F body that dynoed 405whp"...OHHH. i know how fast you are now lol.you have a daily driver that's fun. People on here are pretty cool. Alot of people with DSM dont like me/envy me but fuckem! I'll help you get to your goals lol. Hit me if you have any questions.

well sticksnstones. i know lol it was definately a wooping. i believe i was only logging in the 35lbs/min of peak airflow on these runs. which is a big difference from my normal 39-40lbs/min of airflow at 25psi, when it holds steady all the way. so i shall rematch(if he will) and see what 5lbs/min of airflow(possible 40-50hp) can do.
and thanks apocalypse

i think now that youve fixed the issues and able to run him again it will be a close race. I know in the vid you posted as mentioned above 4 cars is a whoopin but i still think you will do really well 2nd time around. Ive gone against a stock LS3 M6 with me having full bolt ons and 75 shot and was able to pull about 1-1 1/2 cars. They are blazing fast no doubt and full bolts ons, just hard to beat. I give you respect because even though you lost you posted it and its a clean vid either way good job OP.

I know i know. I drive a talon...

Not going to hold it against you!

Not a ricer just chose 4 cylinders and a turbo over 8. Never had enough coin in my pocket to buy a ls1 car outright so. lol

I appreciate your modesty. However, if you really want an LS1 car, save up. At least you have a toy whereas I'm peddling around in this gas hog for a few more years until I graduate

If u guys want me to take it off or w.e ill delete it since I dont drive a lsx car, but it is a ls3 in the video so.

You did exactly what you were supposed to do. Street Racing & Kill Stories with minimal BS lol


:secret: He does have an American car.
Normal, IL is in America? ;)
And btw a H/C/I LS1 better be making more than 405whp or something is wrong :D
Agreed. Heck there are some cam only LS1's throwing down near 400rwhp

Your ahead of over half the kill story section in terms of posting in that you have video evidence, in day light, with a camera actually pointed in the general direction of a race that is occuring. :pimp:

haha. yeah i appreciate good footage. tx2k11 i had tons of footage. only 1/4 of it made my cut lol into 2 videos totalling 10 minutes.

talked to the guy, may be a race this week.

Another thing fix them Damn boost leaks lol. On a stock 14b I was making 250 whp and 275ft/lbs at 17psi on 93oct. A 20g at 25psi on e85 should be close to or at 500whp.

.. how do u figure that? its s 42lbs/min compressor wheel im pretty sure. if not its a 47lbs/min wheel. most people dont make over 450whp on a this 20g. mabye an fp 20g but this is the hahn 20g

BTW i dont know if u guys compare xxmph-xxmph times based on datalogs. but my 70-90 on 24psi is 2.69xxx


What's your 60-100?

With a 30R at 30psi on 93 i was running 3.7s.

ill check my datalogs when i get home. i have a shift right after or before 60 i think but ill get a look.

ill check my datalogs when i get home. i have a shift right after or before 60 i think but ill get a look.

When you do logging pulls don't you run through third gear from spoolup to redline? If so you probably have some 60-100 pulls in your logs.

yeah i sometimes do my tune is pretty spot on right now so i havent logged one at 28psi recently. ill do one today hows that sound? and ill show.., lol i could have one, ill just have to look

4 cars more like 4 buses

you ran a top notch car though, those c6 vettes are no joke , good run and good vids

buses?.... it sure looked like 3-5 cars to me lol.. unless ur saying 2-3 short buses lol. so he got me by 3 excursions?....

buses?.... it sure looked like 3-5 cars to me lol.. unless ur saying 2-3 short buses lol. so he got me by 3 excursions?.... is that better.?

Your car hung pretty good considering your down on power. I'd like to see a rematch when your boost issues are ironed out. And welcome

A 20g at 25psi on e85 should be close to or at 500whp.

wat

:ripped:

took the car out and did some tuning.
looks like its holding 27 ish pretty well
my 70-90 improved froma 2.7 to a 2.4
my 60-100 was 4.8 ;( .5 of which i was spooling lol.)
im at about 90% IDC so thats as high i wanna go. but the car felt GOOD. i mean to pick up .3 from 70-90 is a nice gain. it doesnt feel like the slug that it did against the vette.
what did your 30r at 30psi put down or trap?.i know the 30r is bigger but i am just curious.

.. how do u figure that? its s 42lbs/min compressor wheel im pretty sure. if not its a 47lbs/min wheel. most people dont make over 450whp on a this 20g. mabye an fp 20g but this is the hahn 20g

This is a vid of a awd talon. This would be over 500whp on a dynojet. But if it were a FWD having a lower drivetrain loss maybe even mid 500's. Do you have stock or bigger cams? So once again on E85 stock cams 25psi FWD maybe just a tad bit under 500awhp mark. 450+. But with new internals which will have a better motor compression maybe even more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dtIDNDjKKI

here is 20gon E85 at 25psi from a dig racing a modified C6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPrBwH4WYw&feature=channel_video_title

i dont see where your coming from?....
the car put down 440whp... a dyno is a dyno. setup one way could be heartbreaking setup another, heartwarming.

but you are missing one other thing here.
there a multiple 20G turbos out there.
the tdo5, tdo6 wheel the 20g xt. the 20g i have which is the hahn super20g. is basically a 44lbs/min compressor wheel with a big t3 housing so it doesnt get choked up at high rpm/airflow.
44lbs/min on the wheel. that means there are limitations to how much power that turbo can make. but 10hp per lbs/min has been the common factor we see. now while u can exceed the comp. map and make more yes, its not wise on a DD setup.

now that guy has cams, and possibly the 47lbs/min 20g. making 440whp. now i dont care what dyno it is. thats 440whp. and untill he makes 490whp on a dynojet, he made 440whp... and thats because. he made 440whp.. ??.....

it seems kinda odd to post a video of a dyno of a car that made 440whp. at 28psi with cams, and then say i should be making 500 at 25psi? on a turbo thats compressor wheel maxes pretty much at mid 400whp....i dont get that....

it kinda is like saying, i should have picked up 150whp on my ls1 car when i sprayed a 100wet shot...

i dont see where your coming from?....
the car put down 440whp... a dyno is a dyno. setup one way could be heartbreaking setup another, heartwarming.

but you are missing one other thing here.
there a multiple 20G turbos out there.
the tdo5, tdo6 wheel the 20g xt. the 20g i have which is the hahn super20g. is basically a 44lbs/min compressor wheel with a big t3 housing so it doesnt get choked up at high rpm/airflow.
44lbs/min on the wheel. that means there are limitations to how much power that turbo can make. but 10hp per lbs/min has been the common factor we see. now while u can exceed the comp. map and make more yes, its not wise on a DD setup.

now that guy has cams, and possibly the 47lbs/min 20g. making 440whp. now i dont care what dyno it is. thats 440whp. and untill he makes 490whp on a dynojet, he made 440whp... and thats because. he made 440whp.. ??.....

it seems kinda odd to post a video of a dyno of a car that made 440whp. at 28psi with cams, and then say i should be making 500 at 25psi? on a turbo thats compressor wheel maxes pretty much at mid 400whp....i dont get that....

it kinda is like saying, i should have picked up 150whp on my ls1 car when i sprayed a 100wet shot...a dyno is not a dyno. Most mustang dyno's have around a 12-14% lower reading than a dynojet. AWD DSM have around a 12% lower drivetrain loss than FWD (I know that for a fact because my car was FWD & AWD). I know what i'm talking about.You don't have to beleive me. I know 16g's making over 450awhp before E85 was being used.

yea, i understand that things CAN be done. but let me ask you this...

12.1-12.1 afrs e85 no knock 19 degrees of timing.
90%IDC on e85 with 850cc at 27-28psi. 42ish lbs.min. thats what ive got a 2.4 70-90. according to 70-90mph times from other people. there trapping around 115.
now do u think that with 3 more psi. im gonna step up into the mid 120s traps? that a 500whp car would be doing? my afrs and timing are spot on. and my boost is there. so if im not making the power i should be, let me know. but this car is not over 400whp i know. because on e70(which is what it is right now) these injectors can prolly make 390-400whp at 100%idc... you keep saying youve seen it youve seen it. but im here in my car with a laptop and a logger DOING it. and im telling you, this is whats going on.

If you are not over 400whp at 28psi I'm be bold and say this. Either your motor compression is off (do a leak down test asap), or you can't tune, or the turbo is hurt. All im sayin is at 17psi i was making 250+ on stock 114k motor and a 14B. There is a guy that had a hahn Super 20G and made 420whp on a gst @24psi on a shitty 110oct on a stock motor and this was years ago and you're running E85. That turbo is near a 500Hp turbo and with E85 it can be pushed a little further. At the boost you are at 27-28psi you should be at or around 450whp and 42lbs/min is around 420whp. The turbo is at it's efficiency at 30psi. Take it for what it's worth.

I think you might be running out of injector on E85... I have a fully built STi and my buddy had a 20g and barely got 380whp. If i wanted to run E85 i would have to run 1000cc injectors. Have a deatschwerks 300lph fuel pump also... just my three cents.

i posted by IDCs lol. i know im almost out of injector lol.
brand new chra basically.
and... umm the tune well like i said 12.1-12.2 afrs 19 degrees of timing no knock... tune seems fine to me.
this is a 2500mile motor, and trust me its good lol.

can i ask you this?... how come on any dsm sites that ive seen. VERY FEW people are in the 400s on the 20g?....

im just wondering why your thinking that i should be in the 400s and most everyone else thinks im right where i should be.

Get a holset.

give me a BEP housing lol. the hx35 is my next step after some 1650 injectors.

give me a BEP housing lol. the hx35 is my next step after some 1650 injectors.

Nice! Keep us posted!

Here's some motivation, local dsm sporting an hx40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrSn7ebDW0w

i posted by IDCs lol. i know im almost out of injector lol.
brand new chra basically.
and... umm the tune well like i said 12.1-12.2 afrs 19 degrees of timing no knock... tune seems fine to me.
this is a 2500mile motor, and trust me its good lol.

can i ask you this?... how come on any dsm sites that ive seen. VERY FEW people are in the 400s on the 20g?....

im just wondering why your thinking that i should be in the 400s and most everyone else thinks im right where i should be.there is a ton of people that made over 400whp with a 20g. The power you say your making at your boost level is Evo 16g territory lol. If you don't like your turbo just get another one. But honestly your power level is low even for that turbo at the boost you're running.

give me a BEP housing lol. the hx35 is my next step after some 1650 injectors.1650 is over kill for a Hx35. You just need 1000 or 1100's. I run 1600's with a 70mm turbo on e85. My boy makes over 859 awhp with 1600's. There is no need for them on a tiny Hx35. Where are you getting your information from lol?

I'm just curious... 4 the people you know makin 400whp with a 20g what kinda fuel setups are they running? I know mitsu 20g's on STi's make 350-375 range... If he is maxing his IDC's he should fall short of the power due to not enough fuel...
I don't know Talon's but its better to ask and clarify then speak and look like an azz...lol


there is a ton of people that made over 400whp with a 20g. The power you say your making at your boost level is Evo 16g territory lol. If you don't like your turbo just get another one. But honestly your power level is low even for that turbo at the boost you're running.

I'm just curious... 4 the people you know makin 400whp with a 20g what kinda fuel setups are they running? I know mitsu 20g's on STi's make 350-375 range... If he is maxing his IDC's he should fall short of the power due to not enough fuel...
I don't know Talon's but its better to ask and clarify then speak and look like an azz...lolSubuaru's are garbage. They have a a 2.5L but for some reason they dont make power lol.

I called Hahn racecraft today and they agreed he should be over 400whp on e85 at 28psi lol. especially a fwd car lol. A Super 20g is good up to 33psi and will make 450awhp on a bone stock motor. I have seen it with my own eyes. Over 430awhp on a super 20G back in 2006 around his boost level. As for the fuel there are ways to get around it if he gets to or over 100% idc. But all he needs is 1000 or 1100 for a hx35 shit even a hx40.

But ive said my piece I wish him luck with whatever he decides.

I gotcha... don't know where the Subaru hate came from but i know plenty of Subie's makin over 500whp.. Its only one Talon in my area i am concerned about but i think he is running a GT42r on E85... other than that i laugh at Mitsu's... Maybe you can help him out. His car pulls pretty good from the vid but if he gets it right he can run side by side with that Vette... Vid of one our local Talons puttin in work in Cancun...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVSueKnDWsg



Subuaru's are garbage. They have a a 2.5L but for some reason they dont make power lol.

I called Hahn racecraft today and they agreed he should be over 400whp on e85 at 28psi lol. especially a fwd car lol. A Super 20g is good up to 33psi and will make 450awhp on a bone stock motor. I have seen it with my own eyes. Over 430awhp on a super 20G back in 2006 around his boost level. As for the fuel there are ways to get around it if he gets to or over 100% idc. But all he needs is 1000 or 1100 for a hx35 shit even a hx40.

But ive said my piece I wish him luck with whatever he decides.

I called Hahn racecraft today and they agreed he should be over 400whp on e85 at 28psi lol. especially a fwd car lol. A Super 20g is good up to 33psi and will make 450awhp on a bone stock motor. I have seen it with my own eyes. Over 430awhp on a super 20G back in 2006 around his boost level. As for the fuel there are ways to get around it if he gets to or over 100% idc. But all he needs is 1000 or 1100 for a hx35 shit even a hx40.


Would you expect similar numbers from a T04B 50-trim? That's what I'm running now (with a .63 T3 hotside), and I'm just trying to figure out where I'll be once I throw 1000cc injectors in (I'm maxing the shit out of Evo 560s at the moment), along with perhaps some 272s and a SMIM.

I gotcha... don't know where the Subaru hate came from but i know plenty of Subie's makin over 500whp..Its only one Talon in my area i am concerned about but i think he is running a GT42r on E85... other than that i laugh at Mitsu's... Maybe you can help him out. His car pulls pretty good from the vid but if he gets it right he can run side by side with that Vette... Vid of one our local Talons puttin in work in Cancun...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVSueKnDWsgmy bad i dont hate subies but i was at the 2011 subaru shootout and i think my car was like the 3rd fastest there lol. For the most part mod for mod they just don't make the HP a DSM or Evo makes. A DSM with a 70mm 42R on E85 is no joke lol.




Would you expect similar numbers from a T04B 50-trim? That's what I'm running now (with a .63 T3 hotside), and I'm just trying to figure out where I'll be once I throw 1000cc injectors in (I'm maxing the shit out of Evo 560s at the moment), along with perhaps some 272s and a SMIM.I think a 50 trim makes a tad bit more than a 20g. Add cams etc you could hit 500whp

Killer vids man, thanks for sharing.

my information comes from calculating fuel injectors for my setup and the fact taht i might as well buy it and never have to downgrade. i could run 1650s make 600+whp in the future and be low IDCs. of course i could prolly just get some 1250s but. whatever.

idk what the deal is, mabye my boost gauge is all wrong and i need it calibrated or sumthng. im not exactly sure. ill see whats up and try and figure something else. if u have link. ill post a log for u?

I run AEM. I have no idea how to read link log but if you want ill pass it on to someone that does. Did you do a boost leak check?

Its all good homie...lol. True fact Mitsu's take to mods like a duck to water but my STi takes care of them. Built motor and a GTX35R and most are no prob... Its the guys that come out on slicks i worry about...lol. I think the Talon with the 42R runs in the low 9's- high 8's...:eek2: I am out of the racing phase and more into the cruisin on a nice day...lol
think i'm gettin old...smh

my bad i dont hate subies but i was at the 2011 subaru shootout and i think my car was like the 3rd fastest there lol. For the most part mod for mod they just don't make the HP a DSM or Evo makes. A DSM with a 70mm 42R on E85 is no joke lol.




I think a 50 trim makes a tad bit more than a 20g. Add cams etc you could hit 500whp

took the car out and did some tuning.
looks like its holding 27 ish pretty well
my 70-90 improved froma 2.7 to a 2.4
my 60-100 was 4.8 ;( .5 of which i was spooling lol.)
im at about 90% IDC so thats as high i wanna go. but the car felt GOOD. i mean to pick up .3 from 70-90 is a nice gain. it doesnt feel like the slug that it did against the vette.
what did your 30r at 30psi put down or trap?.i know the 30r is bigger but i am just curious.

Never dyno'd it on 30psi. Made 370whp on 25psi with no timing (literally could not pull any more timing, the sliders were maxed out on Link..i think it had like 6* BTDC lol) because my tuner was a jackass.

I did one log on the street, knew the .7 degree flecks of knock were just sensor noise, added a bunch of timing and 5psi boost and it was a completely different car from when it dyno'd 370. I never went back to the dyno, but from the seat of the pants it was a very substantial gain.

Good runs man. I had a 400whp GSX money pit when I was younger. Most unreliable car ever, always blowing off IC pipes and vacuum lines, constantly messing with DSMlink to get the tune right.

When you start making more $ you're gonna want something better so stop dumping cash into that FWD DSM. Once I bought a C6 there was no looking back. Super reliable, sexy and 28 mpg on freeway.

Torque is what's fun, and 400 of it at 2500 rpm is a blast for a daily driver, something imports can never do. Props for a daylight vid, good runs.

Good runs man. I had a 400whp GSX money pit when I was younger. Most unreliable car ever, always blowing off IC pipes and vacuum lines, constantly messing with DSMlink to get the tune right.


Those all sound like they were completely your fault...

:confused:

Those all sound like they were completely your fault...

:confused:

No shit. It's not the car's fault that its owner can't buy and tighten a T-bolt clamp.

Nice vid and good luck with your DSM

Those all sound like they were completely your fault...

:confused:

I should have gone into more details, my fault.....out of 5 or so DSMs my friends and I had, only one or two would be running at the same time. Tranny issues, clutch issues, crankwalk issues, ignition problems, wouldn't start until cooled down, cracked manifolds, wastegate issues, heatsoaked FMICs and these were all quality parts, not ebay shit. I could go on, but def most unreliable car ever. Whenever we see a DSM on the street or at a meet, we have to point out that it's actually running and not in someones shop, kinda like a unicorn.

Again, we used high quality parts, high end turbos and the best shops/tuners in the area known for DSMs. Everyone I've met since then at meets who use to have one always talks about what a unreliable pain in the ass it was, one guy bought an EVO and even put IH8DSMS on the plate...lol.

Again, I'm not bashing the car, just recounting my experiences with them. Still respect the car for what it can do, and some of the good times I had smoking V8s on the street.

u used a 7 bolt and not a 6 bolt.
crankwalk4u

That was my first motor, second was 6 bolt, then a 2.3 stroker. My buddies had 6 bolts. The only friend that still has his only does because he has too much $ into it to sell it. Over 40 k, seriously. G4CS 2.4 block, best internals, stage 5 Shep tranny, Fp Black full kit, Standalone, full cage, ect..... Hasn't ran in like 6 months, got tired of towing it back to the shop.

That was my first motor, second was 6 bolt, then a 2.3 stroker. My buddies had 6 bolts. The only friend that still has his only does because he has too much $ into it to sell it. Over 40 k, seriously. G4CS 2.4 block, best internals, stage 5 Shep tranny, Fp Black full kit, Standalone, full cage, ect..... Hasn't ran in like 6 months, got tired of towing it back to the shop.

They must be doing something wrong...these cars aren't that hard to keep on the road.

I've DD'd mine for the past 3 years. Every time it's broken has been completely my fault.

As far as I'm concerned, any good videos or kill stories are allowed on here regardless of the make, model, or origin of the cars involved. And if there's an LSX in the video, so much the better, but it's certainly not a requirement. Post away. And nice runs. You've got a quick car there but those LS3's are strong!

i also want to point out. that car that u posted up that dynod 440...
thats an FP manifold. and FP 20g a Sheet metal intake manifold.. sounds like a full bolt on stock block motor. with 2g pistons whic bumps compression. which will make significantly more than my car. just thought id point that out.

i also want to point out. that car that u posted up that dynod 440...
thats an FP manifold. and FP 20g a Sheet metal intake manifold.. sounds like a full bolt on stock block motor. with 2g pistons whic bumps compression. which will make significantly more than my car. just thought id point that out.compression isn't going to make that big of a difference. Both have low compression. My compression was low lol. the intake mani would add some hp but again most mustang dynod read 12-14% lower than a dyno jet. On top if that you have a fwd dsm another 12% to the ground over an awd car! Ive been dyno'd but had problems so couldn't do a full pull . it was breaking up and wouldn't go past 21psi. Spooling , just spooling up to 21psi I was making 308awhp and 300ft/lbs on a mustang dyno. I know for a fact that was around 350awhp. I know cause when the problem was fixed a hx35 96 dsm try'd to do a ricer pull on me and I caught and left his ass. You should be making more power. You should be over 400 whp. Call Hahn. They had stock motor cars making more than you say you're making and they had crappy fuel back in da day. Fix them Damn boost leaks lol. Or if you not happy just get another turbo when you can.

They must be doing something wrong...these cars aren't that hard to keep on the road.

I've DD'd mine for the past 3 years. Every time it's broken has been completely my fault.

Couldn't agree more, I dd my old auto gsx that would trap 130+ and it never broke unless I beat it to death. Reason most dsm'ers complain is because they are cheap. Fast, cheap, reliable, pick two. Almost all dsm people go for fast and cheap. Shit I worked on my friends car that was trying to break into the 8's and he would break constantly and not get why, turns out he won't buy expensive axles, transfer case, or driveshaft to support the hp. All were stock :jest:

Couldn't agree more, I dd my old auto gsx that would trap 130+ and it never broke unless I beat it to death. Reason most dsm'ers complain is because they are cheap. Fast, cheap, reliable, pick two. Almost all dsm people go for fast and cheap. Shit I worked on my friends car that was trying to break into the 8's and he would break constantly and not get why, turns out he won't buy expensive axles, transfer case, or driveshaft to support the hp. All were stock :jest:You hit it dead on.

thats kinda what ive seen be the case with this car since i got it.

ive found half tightened mount bolts
the lower control arm bolt was backed out a half inch.
coolant pipes not bolted down.
so many issues with the PO installing. its no wonder they get a bad name.
however this car, even with the odd issue im trying to figure out(buzzing noise with no start, but then starting after a bit). it still drives me every where everyday, and the only thing that has broken was the turbo from the 100k miles it had plus the PO has the BOV wayyyy to tight and compressor surged it every time.
other than that, this thing has been on the road every day, and been fine and fun. adnyhting thats messed up has been a direct relation to something someone did. and by no fault of the car itself.
i just hope i can fix everything before the car breaks it lol

on a side note.

28psi is only the initial hit. i was able to make a good pull and reallly watch the gauge.

it hits 28 on spool. then tapers off to 24.
as my RPM increase my boost decrease causing my injectors to be able to keep up lol. so if you were to see this on a dyno graph, it wouldnt be a nice steady increase, it would be more of a plateau. its like the car knows its cant run 28psi at higher rpms and lets the boost down because from like 4500-7500 its 90-95% IDC. it should be consistantly rising. but i think its from the weak hahn 8psi WG spring. anything above 24psi and that thing just doesnt seem to be able to regulate. so hopefully i can get a new one or do the washer trick and see if i cant figure it out.

:hijack: here is a vid for ya of the Talon i was talkin about in the previous post... I think this is one of the semi-final rounds of Imports vs Domestics here in Maryland. 7 second Talon!!

http://youtu.be/cjU_Ff1HIjc


my bad i dont hate subies but i was at the 2011 subaru shootout and i think my car was like the 3rd fastest there lol. For the most part mod for mod they just don't make the HP a DSM or Evo makes. A DSM with a 70mm 42R on E85 is no joke lol.




I think a 50 trim makes a tad bit more than a 20g. Add cams etc you could hit 500whp

it hits 28 on spool. then tapers off to 24.
as my RPM increase my boost decrease causing my injectors to be able to keep up lol. so if you were to see this on a dyno graph, it wouldnt be a nice steady increase, it would be more of a plateau. its like the car knows its cant run 28psi at higher rpms and lets the boost down because from like 4500-7500 its 90-95% IDC. it should be consistantly rising. but i think its from the weak hahn 8psi WG spring. anything above 24psi and that thing just doesnt seem to be able to regulate. so hopefully i can get a new one or do the washer trick and see if i cant figure it out.

The likely reason your boost is tapering off is because your engine is outflowing your turbo, not from any wastegate issue.

there is such thing as too small of a turbo where the car won't see any more boost because the turbo is maxed out.

The likely reason your boost is tapering off is because your engine is outflowing your turbo, not from any wastegate issue.

My 30R won't hold over 26psi near redline. I have big cams, heavy port work and a sheet metal intake, but the point is i have a good deal more turbo flow than a 20G and i can't hold 28psi to the limiter.

:hijack: here is a vid for ya of the Talon i was talkin about in the previous post... I think this is one of the semi-final rounds of Imports vs Domestics here in Maryland. 7 second Talon!!

http://youtu.be/cjU_Ff1HIjc Are you sure that's the Talon? That's Shep's car! That car is a freak of nature lol.