My Talon vs lS3 C6
02-06-2012, 02:49 PM
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.. how do u figure that? its s 42lbs/min compressor wheel im pretty sure. if not its a 47lbs/min wheel. most people dont make over 450whp on a this 20g. mabye an fp 20g but this is the hahn 20g
02-06-2012, 02:54 PM
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02-06-2012, 03:03 PM
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02-06-2012, 03:07 PM
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yeah i sometimes do my tune is pretty spot on right now so i havent logged one at 28psi recently. ill do one today hows that sound? and ill show.., lol i could have one, ill just have to look
02-06-2012, 11:49 PM
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took the car out and did some tuning.
looks like its holding 27 ish pretty well
my 70-90 improved froma 2.7 to a 2.4
my 60-100 was 4.8 ;( .5 of which i was spooling lol.)
im at about 90% IDC so thats as high i wanna go. but the car felt GOOD. i mean to pick up .3 from 70-90 is a nice gain. it doesnt feel like the slug that it did against the vette.
what did your 30r at 30psi put down or trap?.i know the 30r is bigger but i am just curious.
looks like its holding 27 ish pretty well
my 70-90 improved froma 2.7 to a 2.4
my 60-100 was 4.8 ;( .5 of which i was spooling lol.)
im at about 90% IDC so thats as high i wanna go. but the car felt GOOD. i mean to pick up .3 from 70-90 is a nice gain. it doesnt feel like the slug that it did against the vette.
what did your 30r at 30psi put down or trap?.i know the 30r is bigger but i am just curious.
02-07-2012, 03:42 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dtIDNDjKKI
here is 20gon E85 at 25psi from a dig racing a modified C6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPrB...el_video_title
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02-07-2012, 04:26 AM
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i dont see where your coming from?....
the car put down 440whp... a dyno is a dyno. setup one way could be heartbreaking setup another, heartwarming.
but you are missing one other thing here.
there a multiple 20G turbos out there.
the tdo5, tdo6 wheel the 20g xt. the 20g i have which is the hahn super20g. is basically a 44lbs/min compressor wheel with a big t3 housing so it doesnt get choked up at high rpm/airflow.
44lbs/min on the wheel. that means there are limitations to how much power that turbo can make. but 10hp per lbs/min has been the common factor we see. now while u can exceed the comp. map and make more yes, its not wise on a DD setup.
now that guy has cams, and possibly the 47lbs/min 20g. making 440whp. now i dont care what dyno it is. thats 440whp. and untill he makes 490whp on a dynojet, he made 440whp... and thats because. he made 440whp.. ??.....
it seems kinda odd to post a video of a dyno of a car that made 440whp. at 28psi with cams, and then say i should be making 500 at 25psi? on a turbo thats compressor wheel maxes pretty much at mid 400whp....i dont get that....
it kinda is like saying, i should have picked up 150whp on my ls1 car when i sprayed a 100wet shot...
the car put down 440whp... a dyno is a dyno. setup one way could be heartbreaking setup another, heartwarming.
but you are missing one other thing here.
there a multiple 20G turbos out there.
the tdo5, tdo6 wheel the 20g xt. the 20g i have which is the hahn super20g. is basically a 44lbs/min compressor wheel with a big t3 housing so it doesnt get choked up at high rpm/airflow.
44lbs/min on the wheel. that means there are limitations to how much power that turbo can make. but 10hp per lbs/min has been the common factor we see. now while u can exceed the comp. map and make more yes, its not wise on a DD setup.
now that guy has cams, and possibly the 47lbs/min 20g. making 440whp. now i dont care what dyno it is. thats 440whp. and untill he makes 490whp on a dynojet, he made 440whp... and thats because. he made 440whp.. ??.....
it seems kinda odd to post a video of a dyno of a car that made 440whp. at 28psi with cams, and then say i should be making 500 at 25psi? on a turbo thats compressor wheel maxes pretty much at mid 400whp....i dont get that....
it kinda is like saying, i should have picked up 150whp on my ls1 car when i sprayed a 100wet shot...
02-07-2012, 04:37 AM
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i dont see where your coming from?....
the car put down 440whp... a dyno is a dyno. setup one way could be heartbreaking setup another, heartwarming.
but you are missing one other thing here.
there a multiple 20G turbos out there.
the tdo5, tdo6 wheel the 20g xt. the 20g i have which is the hahn super20g. is basically a 44lbs/min compressor wheel with a big t3 housing so it doesnt get choked up at high rpm/airflow.
44lbs/min on the wheel. that means there are limitations to how much power that turbo can make. but 10hp per lbs/min has been the common factor we see. now while u can exceed the comp. map and make more yes, its not wise on a DD setup.
now that guy has cams, and possibly the 47lbs/min 20g. making 440whp. now i dont care what dyno it is. thats 440whp. and untill he makes 490whp on a dynojet, he made 440whp... and thats because. he made 440whp.. ??.....
it seems kinda odd to post a video of a dyno of a car that made 440whp. at 28psi with cams, and then say i should be making 500 at 25psi? on a turbo thats compressor wheel maxes pretty much at mid 400whp....i dont get that....
it kinda is like saying, i should have picked up 150whp on my ls1 car when i sprayed a 100wet shot...
the car put down 440whp... a dyno is a dyno. setup one way could be heartbreaking setup another, heartwarming.
but you are missing one other thing here.
there a multiple 20G turbos out there.
the tdo5, tdo6 wheel the 20g xt. the 20g i have which is the hahn super20g. is basically a 44lbs/min compressor wheel with a big t3 housing so it doesnt get choked up at high rpm/airflow.
44lbs/min on the wheel. that means there are limitations to how much power that turbo can make. but 10hp per lbs/min has been the common factor we see. now while u can exceed the comp. map and make more yes, its not wise on a DD setup.
now that guy has cams, and possibly the 47lbs/min 20g. making 440whp. now i dont care what dyno it is. thats 440whp. and untill he makes 490whp on a dynojet, he made 440whp... and thats because. he made 440whp.. ??.....
it seems kinda odd to post a video of a dyno of a car that made 440whp. at 28psi with cams, and then say i should be making 500 at 25psi? on a turbo thats compressor wheel maxes pretty much at mid 400whp....i dont get that....
it kinda is like saying, i should have picked up 150whp on my ls1 car when i sprayed a 100wet shot...
02-07-2012, 04:49 AM
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yea, i understand that things CAN be done. but let me ask you this...
12.1-12.1 afrs e85 no knock 19 degrees of timing.
90%IDC on e85 with 850cc at 27-28psi. 42ish lbs.min. thats what ive got a 2.4 70-90. according to 70-90mph times from other people. there trapping around 115.
now do u think that with 3 more psi. im gonna step up into the mid 120s traps? that a 500whp car would be doing? my afrs and timing are spot on. and my boost is there. so if im not making the power i should be, let me know. but this car is not over 400whp i know. because on e70(which is what it is right now) these injectors can prolly make 390-400whp at 100%idc... you keep saying youve seen it youve seen it. but im here in my car with a laptop and a logger DOING it. and im telling you, this is whats going on.
12.1-12.1 afrs e85 no knock 19 degrees of timing.
90%IDC on e85 with 850cc at 27-28psi. 42ish lbs.min. thats what ive got a 2.4 70-90. according to 70-90mph times from other people. there trapping around 115.
now do u think that with 3 more psi. im gonna step up into the mid 120s traps? that a 500whp car would be doing? my afrs and timing are spot on. and my boost is there. so if im not making the power i should be, let me know. but this car is not over 400whp i know. because on e70(which is what it is right now) these injectors can prolly make 390-400whp at 100%idc... you keep saying youve seen it youve seen it. but im here in my car with a laptop and a logger DOING it. and im telling you, this is whats going on.
02-07-2012, 06:18 AM
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If you are not over 400whp at 28psi I'm be bold and say this. Either your motor compression is off (do a leak down test asap), or you can't tune, or the turbo is hurt. All im sayin is at 17psi i was making 250+ on stock 114k motor and a 14B. There is a guy that had a hahn Super 20G and made 420whp on a gst @24psi on a shitty 110oct on a stock motor and this was years ago and you're running E85. That turbo is near a 500Hp turbo and with E85 it can be pushed a little further. At the boost you are at 27-28psi you should be at or around 450whp and 42lbs/min is around 420whp. The turbo is at it's efficiency at 30psi. Take it for what it's worth.
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02-07-2012, 06:49 AM
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I think you might be running out of injector on E85... I have a fully built STi and my buddy had a 20g and barely got 380whp. If i wanted to run E85 i would have to run 1000cc injectors. Have a deatschwerks 300lph fuel pump also... just my three cents.
02-07-2012, 01:48 PM
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i posted by IDCs lol. i know im almost out of injector lol.
brand new chra basically.
and... umm the tune well like i said 12.1-12.2 afrs 19 degrees of timing no knock... tune seems fine to me.
this is a 2500mile motor, and trust me its good lol.
can i ask you this?... how come on any dsm sites that ive seen. VERY FEW people are in the 400s on the 20g?....
im just wondering why your thinking that i should be in the 400s and most everyone else thinks im right where i should be.
brand new chra basically.
and... umm the tune well like i said 12.1-12.2 afrs 19 degrees of timing no knock... tune seems fine to me.
this is a 2500mile motor, and trust me its good lol.
can i ask you this?... how come on any dsm sites that ive seen. VERY FEW people are in the 400s on the 20g?....
im just wondering why your thinking that i should be in the 400s and most everyone else thinks im right where i should be.
