Street Racing & Kill Stories - Intake/longtube 6.0 GTO vs eaton swapped Mach 1 REMATCH w/ VID

So my brother had a rematch with the eaton swapped mach 1 this weekend. Mach 1 has since added a set of longtubes and gained a bit of driver mod.

2006 GTO M6: kooks longtubes, svede intake, tune

Mach 1 M5: stock eaton swap, longtubes, exhaust, intake, tune

Race starts on the 2nd beep. Hit the brakes midway through 4th gear due to a car in our lane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PQypAqqpbo

Good run! He's going in the right direction with that Mach 1, but he's not there yet, lol.

Mach runs a lot better. But still not enuff.

All i can say is L O L. Still???

I just don't get how the Mach can be that terrible....

Man your brother's car runs great..

he had to have been half throttle....right? lol jk good run

I just don't get how the Mach can be that terrible....

I think you should word it "I just don't get how the GTO runs that strong."

Because the mach made 415 rwhp and went 12.7 @ 113 mph....which seems about right to me. Stock 03-04 cobras go 111-112 mph.

Sleeper cam :)

Sleeper cam :)

LOL....C'mon man don't start that up!

Nice run .. Like the machs.color.. Strong bolt on goat

Bwuhaha. Everyone around here says my car runs better than it should. I was accused of spraying on my recent cobra kill :(

strong running gto with driver mod > weakest eaton mach on planet earth with no driver mod lol

strong running gto with driver mod > weakest eaton mach on planet earth with no driver mod lol

We'd be happy to run another eaton swapped mach 1 and get a vid, but they come up about as often as a stock terminator.

We'd be happy to run another eaton swapped mach 1 and get a vid, but they come up about as often as a stock terminator.

If that mach traped 113 then this race makes perfect sense. In gear close race with the mach slightly pulling but with every gear change loses ground. With the mods listed no reason that car shouldn't be a 118+ car and this is coming from a eaton hater :angel:

I think you should word it "I just don't get how the GTO runs that strong."

Because the mach made 415 rwhp and went 12.7 @ 113 mph....which seems about right to me. Stock 03-04 cobras go 111-112 mph.

Higher compression than a cobra.... Should make more power than a stock cobra. Therefore runs like shit. Driver shifts like shit. Hes pulling until he shifts everytime. Also Ive saw bolt on Machs got mid 12.xs with 109/111 so a blower and 100 whp nets you 3 mph? :cheers:

Good kill. Yet again. Hows facebook looking so far?

Higher compression, lighter, botons than a cobra.... Should make more power than a stock cobra. Therefore runs like shit. Driver shifts like shit. Hes pulling until he shifts everytime. Also Ive saw bolt on Machs got mid 12.xs to high 11s with 108-115 traps so a blower and 100 whp nets you no mph? :cheers:

Exactly :eek2: and fixed lol

Haha! I mean the gto runs good. But that mach runs like complete ass in all honesty. Mach with a blower should beat a bolt on gto

Higher compression than a cobra.... Should make more power than a stock cobra. Therefore runs like shit. Driver shifts like shit. Hes pulling until he shifts everytime. Also Ive saw bolt on Machs got mid 12.xs with 109/111 so a blower and 100 whp nets you 3 mph? :cheers:

This is the only one we have ever had experience with. If we can even find a local bolt on mach 1, I'd love to get a few runs in. Don't know what they're supposed to run but my first impressions so far with them are not good lol....there are always going to be the ones that don't run strong however.

Good kill. Yet again. Hows facebook looking so far?

Eh, I think they've come to respect the little GM LS2....been quiet and they actually give it some props now ;)

I hear that man. Good runs. I thought it the GTO was going to get pulled, but nope... sounded like some power shifting out your brother in the GTO

lmfao, funny how yal only raced once, i am sure the mach 1 owner wanted another run since he seen he was walking yal down or am i wrong and seems like yal let off just to let off not because there was a car infront :)

^ English much?

lmfao, funny how yal only raced once, i am sure the mach 1 owner wanted another run since he seen he was walking yal down or am i wrong and seems like yal let off just to let off not because there was a car infront :)

Most of my vids have at least 2 runs between each car. This was during a cruise to a hang out spot and the kid wanted a go, so we just lined up. Happened to have my camera on me so I filmed it. Now most of your vids on the other hand only have one run......so what are you trying to get at here??

Plus, the stang would have maybe broke even with the GTO at the top of 4th gear, but thats about 130 mph and no need to race much past that. If the stang had to go into 5th gear, it probably would have been lights out.

Does the mach owner have a prostethic right arm?


That is sad to put down 415 and only trap 113. I went 109 with only 298 at FULL weight.

I did this and my buddy did that this one time in this other place that wasn't this time in that place.

That's why you actually lose.

good races. Glad to see the ol bolt on GTO beating boosted cars

I did this and my buddy did that this one time in this other place that wasn't this time in that place.

That's why you actually lose.

Go back to sucking on that nitrous bottle little kid. Grown ups are talking!

I think if this was a stock Mach 1 it would kill the GTO since stock Mach 1's or mildly modded are known to take down some fast supercars. They just fall flat on there face with a supercharger. LOL, jk. Good kill OP poor guy is still trying to keep up, gotta give the Mach 1 credit he is persistant.

Go back to sucking on that nitrous bottle little kid. Grown ups are talking!

I'd love to put a football field on your Mustang, in my Regal... just to see the look on your face.

You were never worthy of racing my GTO.

I thought Mach 1's run 10s with just bolt ons? WTF is this shit :confused:

I thought Mach 1's run 10s with just bolt ons? WTF is this shit :confused:

I have to agree lots of confusion after this vid, not sure what happened either, lol.

Exactly :eek2: and fixed lol

Since when do bolt on mach1s trap 115?

Since when do bolt on mach1s trap 115?

:secret: For about 6 years maybe longer

I'd love to put a football field on your Mustang, in my Regal... just to see the look on your face.

You were never worthy of racing my GTO.

Oh your gto went low 11s? :eek2:

I'd love to put a football field on your Mustang, in my Regal... just to see the look on your face.

You were never worthy of racing my GTO.

Love = dreams. Keep dreaming. And you're right, I'm not worthy because its not WORTH MY gas. Oh btw, its "you ARE never". You're using past tense on something that hasn't happened yet. What's your major? Hope it's not English.

I don't hide my times, how come you don't show yours? I guess that doesn't matter anymore because I'm putting in a 10 point in the car now. That should give you an estimate on what the car will be capable of by the end of the year. Enjoy yo skeet racing Vin Diesel. :drive:

Callout thread on SVT....can't knock a guy for trying! Guess well see if we can find one local.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/road-kill-drive-thru-34/866668-callout-thread-bolt-03-04-mach-1-northern-ct-area.html#post12034764

that run was better than the first time yall ran.. good kill by your brother, he can fucking drive.

:secret: For about 6 years maybe longer

How much weight was taken out of them to get em to trap that?

Not a lot pretty close to fullweight

^ really?

I have seen 113 with only 75lbs out with just intake, gears, and full exhaust with a hand held diablo tune at that.. Mine did 112 with 150lbs out with mild boltons made 298.

Not a lot pretty close to fullweight

Since when do bolt on mach1s trap 115?

How much weight was taken out of them to get em to trap that?

I'm not sure if you forgot, but Mach 1s decimate all :judge:

When my GTO was headers/tune I raced a full bolt on 315whp Mach-1... I think it was somewhere around 9-14 carlengths that I won by. I can't remember, but it was a pretty wide margin.

He would have definitely needed another 100whp to make it interesting.

When my GTO was headers/tune I raced a full bolt on 315whp Mach-1... I think it was somewhere around 9-14 carlengths that I won by. I can't remember, but it was a pretty wide margin.

He would have definitely needed another 100whp to make it interesting.
Yeah I really don't think a lot of GTOs get the amount of respect they deserve. Most owners around here do light bolt-ons and stick with the stock tune. I know on both LS1 and LS2 auto GTOs that even just a tune makes a world of difference! GM is super conservative on torque management, etc on stock tune auto cars

GTOs suck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-sye6Ngoco&list=UUM4WvJh-Rq2UNKwtWggmCGA&index=6&feature=plcp

Watching old races make me miss that thing. Giving bikes the jump and spinning on the hit. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEYpg1o6tVk&feature=relmfu

Nice kill! He was coming back though but that was a long race already.

And bolt on mach's trapping 115...it's cool I saw a pig fly past me the other day too.

Nice kill! He was coming back though but that was a long race already.

And bolt on mach's trapping 115...it's cool I saw a pig fly past me the other day too.

Ive been seeing alot of them flying past me and hell even froze over.

^ sure, just ask automach. He will reply, "I really don't have much weight out, just gutted the trunk, took out the rear seats, have one kirky for the driver, removed crash bars and a/c, also bigs and littles, but really its pretty much full weight."

I have seen 113 with only 75lbs out with just intake, gears, and full exhaust with a hand held diablo tune at that.. Mine did 112 with 150lbs out with mild boltons made 298.

fkn lol i just saw a vid of a full bolt on mach1 with a 125shot trap 115, seems legit bro.

^ sure, just ask automach. He will reply, "I really don't have much weight out, just gutted the trunk, took out the rear seats, have one kirky for the driver, removed crash bars and a/c, also bigs and littles, but really its pretty much full weight."

And still offers no info on his mega build....other than he can take his car apart for weight reduction.

And still offers no info on his mega build....other than he can take his car apart for weight reduction.

Mach 1s are super cereal business bro. You'd think they were all building single digit cars or something

Pretty much every mach1 owner I ever met had a mouth that ran way faster than their car.

Same with gto owners juice... Hiho what would you like to know? Converter was to small so I had to send it back to circle d that's what I am waiting on..At the time it went 112 it was a 3300lb car it is currently 3100 far from a gutted out race car without a/c lol I would be mad to if the little outdated bolt on 4.6 could accomplish what the 6.0 gto does with boltons.

Same with gto owners juice... Hiho what would you like to know? Converter was to small so I had to send it back to circle d that's what I am waiting on..At the time it went 112 it was a 3300lb car it is currently 3100 far from a gutted out race car without a/c lol I would be mad to if the little outdated bolt on 4.6 could accomplish what the 6.0 gto does with boltons.

Dude no one is mad about Mach-1's except Mach-1 owners... They have to fabricate all this shit about how fast they really aren't. It reminds me of the southpark episode where everyone is mad about their small penises.

Clearly a bolt on GTO is > or = a 415whp blown Mach-1. Bolt on Mach doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell, as I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt on many occasions.

Same with gto owners juice... Hiho what would you like to know? Converter was to small so I had to send it back to circle d that's what I am waiting on..At the time it went 112 it was a 3300lb car it is currently 3100 far from a gutted out race car without a/c lol I would be mad to if the little outdated bolt on 4.6 could accomplish what the 6.0 gto does with boltons.

3300lb race weight?

No 3485 raceweight

So it took you some fair amount of weight reduction to get to 112?

You never did post up any dyno numbers on that beast. I would think before someone went out swapping converters they would have a et of the one they had.

So it took you some fair amount of weight reduction to get to 112?

You never did post up any dyno numbers on that beast. I would think before someone went out swapping converters they would have a et of the one they had.

How so it is low 3400s stock. Went mid 7s 8th falling on its face. Also found out car is not as radical as first thought 11:1 compression and 24x/23x cams and stock ported heads.

Dude no one is mad about Mach-1's except Mach-1 owners... They have to fabricate all this shit about how fast they really aren't. It reminds me of the southpark episode where everyone is mad about their small penises.

Clearly a bolt on GTO is > or = a 415whp blown Mach-1. Bolt on Mach doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell, as I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt on many occasions.

Good one so by your math my mild bolt on mach > h/c/i gto .. So a bolton gto doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.

These Mach I threads never get old :drive:

nightmare ta how your car doing im on thirdgen and have talked to you a few times now i have a 05 gto ls2 it came with cai and magna flow system on it its a auto to

LMAO

MACH 1 mods up and still can't come around the GTO.

Where are all the haters?

How so it is low 3400s stock. Went mid 7s 8th falling on its face. Also found out car is not as radical as first thought 11:1 compression and 24x/23x cams and stock ported heads.



How much compression was you shootin for? Sounds like you have something to work with now. Why was it falling on it's face?

How much compression was you shootin for? Sounds like you have something to work with now. Why was it falling on it's face?

Converter size It needs to stay above 6500 and it would only stall to 4200 even on the brake. Was suppose to be 11:5:1 but It is not quite that high and cams where suppose to be 25x/24x range originaly but it should still run pretty decent at 3100lbs.

^^ When we gunna make run happen?

^^ When we gunna make run happen?

When it gets back on the road lol you a h/c/i car now?

How would you say a Bolt on Mach 1 would fair against a 2.8 upper pullied cobra? Decimated much?

nightmare ta how your car doing im on thirdgen and have talked to you a few times now i have a 05 gto ls2 it came with cai and magna flow system on it its a auto to

It's coming good man. Only thing I'm waiting on is my built T56 to be finished and then she'll be out on the road, preying on the unsuspecting mach 1 :angel:

You have the blue GTO, right? And had the 3rd gen you were going to do an LT1 in and then you wanted to do an LS1?

How would you say a Bolt on Mach 1 would fair against a 2.8 upper pullied cobra? Decimated much?

Depends I beat one from 20-125 with about a 3375 raceweight making about 315 still not a full bolton car. He beat from a 40 by a couple cars 4r was in a bog but a loss is a loss.

My rebuild has started on my mod motor now.

My rebuild has started on my mod motor now.

Sweet plans?

Because the mach made 415 rwhp and went 12.7 @ 113 mph.... Stock 03-04 cobras go 111-112 mph.

That 12.7 at 113 shows his severe lack of driver mod. He should be trapping at least 117 with that much HP. I ran 12.9 and bumped 110mph in good air with my Mach with just 4.10s, ORX, and a cat-back. Stock Cobras are wayyy heavier than Machs, so thats not a good comparison...and a stock Cobra can trap over 112 no problem.

Point is, the Mach needs some pratice....bad, lol

Still an awesome vid/race. Not trying to bash or take away from the win, just stating the obvious.

Sweet plans?

Open up the tolerances a bit to run a better oil and keep the crank off the bearings. Port the blower and put a metco pulley it. Nothing to major. Mainly make it run and hopefully hold up better. I would like to see it near 500whp. It already has a lighted spec clutch set-up.

That 12.7 at 113 shows his severe lack of driver mod. He should be trapping at least 117 with that much HP. I ran 12.9 and bumped 110mph in good air with my Mach with just 4.10s, ORX, and a cat-back. Stock Cobras are wayyy heavier than Machs, so thats not a good comparison...and a stock Cobra can trap over 112 no problem.

Point is, the Mach needs some pratice....bad, lol

Still an awesome vid/race. Not trying to bash or take away from the win, just stating the obvious.

The only things that would make a cobra way heavier than a mach is the added supercharger weight and the IRS (which I didn't think weighed all too much more than a solid axle). The mach now has the supercharger weight, so it has got to be close to a cobra. I'm thinking it weighs close to or just over 3600 lbs. I'm sure he could have driven better, but it doesn't explain him starting in the same gear and getting yanked right from the start. He only started to creep back up in 4th gear.

And thanks for the compliments too!

I think the IRS is about 80lbs heavier. I'm pretty sure the cobra has an iron block and the mach has an aluminum block. A stock mach is 200-250lbs lighter than a cobra.

Good run, I thought that Mach would walk away from the Goat, either way looks like some good running cars.

I think the IRS is about 80lbs heavier. I'm pretty sure the cobra has an iron block and the mach has an aluminum block. A stock mach is 200-250lbs lighter than a cobra.


I could be wrong, I have read on the net that the IRS was about 150 pounds more than the live axle.

When it gets back on the road lol you a h/c/i car now?

Alright lol yes sir it is.

I could be wrong, I have read on the net that the IRS was about 150 pounds more than the live axle.

I've also heard that it's 120-150 lbs. I have no personal experience though.

Open up the tolerances a bit to run a better oil and keep the crank off the bearings. Port the blower and put a metco pulley it. Nothing to major. Mainly make it run and hopefully hold up better. I would like to see it near 500whp. It already has a lighted spec clutch set-up.

Maybe ptw but thats about it. I just hate it when they sound like a diesel on a cold startup. Main bearing clearance should be .003-.015".

So the MACH 1 at 415 Hp and a weight of 3400lbs is running that time..

Just calculating the Hp / Weight ratio..... just don't get it..???

Regardless..that GTO runs damn strong, man!:cheers:

BTW..have your buddy with the MACH get on LS1 Tech...curious what his deal is or what's up with the car...

Maybe ptw but thats about it. I just hate it when they sound like a diesel on a cold startup. Main bearing clearance should be .003-.015".

My builder is a good friend. We worked on the same race team for years and he was one of the engine builders. We raced 24hrs Daytona, 12hrs Sebring...the Grand AM series, ALMS, Speedvision so it's in his hands figuring out the tolerances. I just know it needs something better than 20w oil in it.

So the MACH 1 at 415 Hp and a weight of 3400lbs is running that time..

Just calculating the Hp / Weight ratio..... just don't get it..???

Regardless..that GTO runs damn strong, man!:cheers:

BTW..have your buddy with the MACH get on LS1 Tech...curious what his deal is or what's up with the car...

That car does not weigh 3400 lbs with the blower, I can assure you that! I'd say more like 3550-3600 lbs. And he's not really a forum person, so he probably wouldn't care to sign up.

Thanks for the compliment though! I put a thread up on SVTP to try to find a bolt on mach 1 to run so we could compare, but after 6 pages there are still no bites unfortunately. I have guys telling me that I'm looking for a puppy kicking yet other guys are saying they will run just as high of a trap as a GTO with just bolt ons. I'm so confused.

Your brother has a strong running GTO, but the only way i can see a full bolt on Mach going against your brothers GTO is from a dig, and even if the mach gets a perfect launch he may hold the GTO off for a bit, but IMHO the GTO is going to out power the Mach and come around him hard. A roll race would be all the GTO.

Wait did a Mach owner just say that??

That car does not weigh 3400 lbs with the blower, I can assure you that! I'd say more like 3550-3600 lbs. And he's not really a forum person, so he probably wouldn't care to sign up.

Thanks for the compliment though! I put a thread up on SVTP to try to find a bolt on mach 1 to run so we could compare, but after 6 pages there are still no bites unfortunately. I have guys telling me that I'm looking for a puppy kicking yet other guys are saying they will run just as high of a trap as a GTO with just bolt ons. I'm so confused.

Agreed..with the blower, the MACH would be a little heavier but still, 415Hp at 3550 (3600 worst case) still should not be running a 12.7 @113...I could understand the 12.7 with a bad 60ft, but the traps do not add it up. Plain and simple.

BTW...Are you sure that the GTO is not hiding something else that you do not wish to share...If it is one thing I learned on forums like SVT and LS1Tech, is that people love to downplay their mods....

Your brother has a strong running GTO, but the only way i can see a full bolt on Mach going against your brothers GTO is from a dig, and even if the mach gets a perfect launch he may hold the GTO off for a bit, but IMHO the GTO is going to out power the Mach and come around him hard. A roll race would be all the GTO.

Wait did a Mach owner just say that??

LOL, thanks man. And in all honesty, this is the only mach 1 we have ever run so there is nothing to compare it to. I'm trying to find a bolt on one in the area just for shits and giggles but no dice yet. We'd do a dig, roll, whatever. Just want to see how they stack up.

Agreed..with the blower, the MACH would be a little heavier but still, 415Hp at 3550 (3600 worst case) still should not be running a 12.7 @113...I could understand the 12.7 with a bad 60ft, but the traps do not add it up. Plain and simple.

BTW...Are you sure that the GTO is not hiding something else that you do not wish to share...If it is one thing I learned on forums like SVT and LS1Tech, is that people love to downplay their mods....

Don't know about the traps. Theres a lot of things that come into play with a blower though, like heatsoaking in line while waiting to run. My brothers old roush supercharged 07 GT ran a 12.3 @ 111 mph making around 410 RWHP. Granted it's a bit heavier than a mach 1, but no heavier than the GTO, yet the GTO trapped 113 and it makes maybe 385 rwhp. I really think a lot of it has to do with powerband and gearing as well. Those eatons are all top end with not much low end, which is probably why the mach starts creeping in 4th gear.

As far as other mods, my brother bought the car as a 1 owner car and it was 100% bone stock. It has a Svede intake, kooks longtubes, tune, and he took the jack and spare tire out. Engine internally is completely original.

If it is one thing I learned on forums like SVT and LS1Tech, is that people love to downplay their mods....


That is the truth and most people (including myself) are guilty of it.

i ran a mach 1 with the same setup...he was 120 trap car, we were a close race back when i was trapping 124. Stock motor car with a cobra blower, there is a vid somewhere of our race.

I think from now on I'm just not going to tell anyone my mods and I won't ask what the other guys has. Just race and it is what it is. Less issues that way.

I've tried this... but then afterward people thought my GTO had a supercharger on it or a built stroker motor with huge heads/cam.

Then I told them headers/tune and they wanted to fight me.

BTW...Are you sure that the GTO is not hiding something else that you do not wish to share...If it is one thing I learned on forums like SVT and LS1Tech, is that people love to downplay their mods....

I heard the GTO has a 3/4 race cam.

I've tried this... but then afterward people thought my GTO had a supercharger on it or a built stroker motor with huge heads/cam.

Then I told them headers/tune and they wanted to fight me.

It always seems that the people being accused of hiding mods get just as worked up as the people who are doing the accusing. I never understood that. If I race someone with bolt-ons and a 75 shot and they want to think I have a cam and sprayed a 150 shot then good for them, they're in for a surprise when the wick gets turned up :lol:

I think you should word it "I just don't get how the GTO runs that strong."

Because the mach made 415 rwhp and went 12.7 @ 113 mph....which seems about right to me. Stock 03-04 cobras go 111-112 mph.

415 rwhp and all he could do was a 12.7? is he that bad at driving?

415 rwhp and all he could do was a 12.7? is he that bad at driving?

Not everyone goes to the track with race gas on slicks, skinnies and with 300lbs outta the car.

I agree that even at full weight that Mach 1 should trap higher, but I also know that not everyone drives well and supercharged cars (older style Eatons especially) are more effected by a high DA than a naturally aspirated car. All things considered it's not impressive, but not so bad that people should freak out. I wouldn't be surprised to see another car trapping several mph higher with a similar setup though.

Not everyone goes to the track with race gas on slicks, skinnies and with 300lbs outta the car.

I ran 12.8@109 mph with just axle back exhaust, intake, tune. STOCK tires. no weight reduction. 4000 lbs 331 rwhp. 500 DA

So either he had like a 2.6 60ft, or was racing in 5000 DA or................He sucks at driving. K thanks Bai.

I have seen bolton mach-1 with Gears and drag radial pull 110-112 mph traps and run mid low 12's and only dyno 320-340 rwhp. you have to admit something is just really wrong with that car or the Driver

I ran 12.8@109 mph with just axle back exhaust, intake, tune. STOCK tires. no weight reduction. 4000 lbs 331 rwhp. 500 DA

So either he had like a 2.6 60ft, or was racing in 5000 DA or................He sucks at driving. K thanks Bai.

I have seen bolton mach-1 with Gears and drag radial pull 110-112 mph traps and run mid low 12's and only dyno 320-340 rwhp. you have to admit something is just really wrong with that car or the Driver

+1 man..exactly what I was tyring to say..I could see bad ETs due to high 60ft times but traps speed is a really good indicator of power level.

Regardless, I have seen a few videos from the GTO and it does run damn hard so it would be good to see a run with a bolt-on MACH. I do feel that the top end would go to the GTO but (as usual) it might come to who has more mods at the time of the race..

How did I miss this LOL.....made my day

+1 man..exactly what I was tyring to say..I could see bad ETs due to high 60ft times but traps speed is a really good indicator of power level.

Regardless, I have seen a few videos from the GTO and it does run damn hard so it would be good to see a run with a bolt-on MACH. I do feel that the top end would go to the GTO but (as usual) it might come to who has more mods at the time of the race..

When he was intake and tune only he was pretty darn close to a new 5.0 from the way the 5.0 beat him by id say he was like a 108-109ish car, now with the longtubes exhaust and tune i can see it yielding 4mph. ofcourse this is bench racing though but i don't see whats not to believe.

The Mach could've had a terrible terrible launch with traction issues so bad that it probably hurt his MPH, you never know. To be honest i don't know how you guys get those cars to trap over 110 with the power you guys claim, this guys making low 4's and barely got out over 110. The other day i saw a vid of a full bolt on geared mach1 with a 125shot traping 115....

I love how all the Mach one owners have SAW one do this or that but never had their own do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8oFbvcUp78

When he was intake and tune only he was pretty darn close to a new 5.0 from the way the 5.0 beat him by id say he was like a 108-109ish car, now with the longtubes exhaust and tune i can see it yielding 4mph. ofcourse this is bench racing though but i don't see whats not to believe.

The Mach could've had a terrible terrible launch with traction issues so bad that it probably hurt his MPH, you never know. To be honest i don't know how you guys get those cars to trap over 110 with the power you guys claim, this guys making low 4's and barely got out over 110. The other day i saw a vid of a full bolt on geared mach1 with a 125shot traping 115....

So not to cause any kind of argument by speculating what the SC Mach 1 should run, there is just not enough information in this thread to explain why he runs what he does without a video or timeslip. My previous comments were solely based on an estimation of HP/Weight. 415Hp(at the wheels) /3550 lbs.

I love how all the Mach one owners have SAW one do this or that but never had their own do it.

No doubt man..not as easy as "some" Mach1 owners like to believe. It is unfortunate that some MACH 1 owners have ruined it for the others on LS1Tech. A Mach 1 is not the "race car" that some claim. I am not sure where all that stuff came from. It is just a simple Mustang with a N/A 4V motor. It is one step up from a GT and one step down from an 03/04 Cobra. It is FAST...no! Maybe it can be called repectable performance that reponds well to bolt-ons. I will say that like other cars such as the LS1, it can be modded to compete against some of the newer cars today because of the low weight, gearing in the trans, and the 4V motor.

its going to take more than a tune and a intake for a mach1 to give a run with a new 5.0 unless that coyote was being poorly driven. i havent seen any mach-1 trap in the 109-110 range without having, headers,full exaust,intake, tune and gears. they are more downlow to mid range cars than topend. its just how that engine runs

Don't get me wrong I love Mach 1s haha. They are sexy. I agree with about all you said lol

as do i think the mach1 and the 03-4 cobras are two of the best looking cars along with the ws6 and 350/370z on the road

No doubt man..not as easy as "some" Mach1 owners like to believe. It is unfortunate that some MACH 1 owners have ruined it for the others on LS1Tech. A Mach 1 is not the "race car" that some claim. I am not sure where all that stuff came from. It is just a simple Mustang with a N/A 4V motor. It is one step up from a GT and one step down from an 03/04 Cobra. It is FAST...no! Maybe it can be called repectable performance that reponds well to bolt-ons. I will say that like other cars such as the LS1, it can be modded to compete against some of the newer cars today because of the low weight, gearing in the trans, and the 4V motor.

I can respect this and finally a Mach 1 owner that speaks sense. Now speaking generally, i think some Mach1 owners think were saying that they are slow and its simply not the case were just saying its not as fast as some biased opinions here and instead of them getting our respect we just bash on them because some of the stuff on here about Mach1's beating this and that and they run this and that is just disrespectful to some of us taking us for some stupid 15 year old that is easily convinced. The site has some trolls no doubt but also has some knowledgable people that know there sh*t and not easily convinced.

its going to take more than a tune and a intake for a mach1 to give a run with a new 5.0 unless that coyote was being poorly driven. i havent seen any mach-1 trap in the 109-110 range without having, headers,full exaust,intake, tune and gears. they are more downlow to mid range cars than topend. its just how that engine runs

No doubt..The MACH 1 is 8 or 9 years old now..Difficult to keep up with cars of today...just have to hope you run into a LS3, 392 or 5.0 with a inexperienced driver in it and pretend you won..:D
That is usually my plan....

A Mach 1 is not the "race car" that some claim. I am not sure where all that stuff came from. It is just a simple Mustang with a N/A 4V motor. It is one step up from a GT and one step down from an 03/04 Cobra. It is FAST...no! Maybe it can be called repectable performance that reponds well to bolt-ons. I will say that like other cars such as the LS1, it can be modded to compete against some of the newer cars today because of the low weight, gearing in the trans, and the 4V motor.
Thank God for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8oFbvcUp78

Whos mach is that? Trapping 112 at fontana......what are all the mods

No doubt..The MACH 1 is 8 or 9 years old now..Difficult to keep up with cars of today...just have to hope you run into a LS3, 392 or 5.0 with a inexperienced driver in it and pretend you won..:D
That is usually my plan....

ohh man you speak the truth. you wouldnt believe the big argument over on g8board.com when a member with just boltons and and i think a small cam. said he yanked a c6 z06 easily 4-5 times from a roll.... but yet he only dynoed 460rwhp. he kept ignoring the fact that he was claiming his 3790 lbs G8 with the same rwhp as a stock z06 was easily pulling a car that weighs about 300-400 lbs less and has superior wind drag coefficient. even called himself having a z06 killer. and half the board had to argue that you wasn't killing anyhting but the driver. lol

ohh man you speak the truth. you wouldnt believe the big argument over on g8board.com when a member with just boltons and and i think a small cam. said he yanked a c6 z06 easily 4-5 times from a roll.... but yet he only dynoed 460rwhp. he kept ignoring the fact that he was claiming his 3790 lbs G8 with the same rwhp as a stock z06 was easily pulling a car that weighs about 300-400 lbs less and has superior wind drag coefficient. even called himself having a z06 killer. and half the board had to argue that you wasn't killing anyhting but the driver. lol

The only thing I can think of is that the people who originally bought their MACH1s in 03 & 04 sold them off for newer cars. I believe many of them were sold to younger kids who now think they have the fastest car ever made..
not really sure what happened...

Whos mach is that? Trapping 112 at fontana......what are all the mods

Looking at his numbers on the video, he probably has very similar mods as me. Our Hp and Trq number are almost identical..

I believe many of them were sold to younger kids who now think they have the fastest car ever made..
not really sure what happened...
I remember a kid in my high school had a bone stock 04 Mach 1 and thought it was THE fastest thing on Earth and he was quite the average manual driver. He was in for a rude awakening

I remember a kid in my high school had a bone stock 04 Mach 1 and thought it was THE fastest thing on Earth and he was quite the average manual driver. He was in for a rude awakening

Maybe all of us at one time went through this when we were young and dumb. I remember when I was in High School, I had a 69 Dodge SuperBee with a 383ci motor. Thought I was the sh*t......then I ran into a Grand National....knocked the chip right out off my shoulder..

I am sure these guys will learn also..just part of life

i thought my 2004 grand prix GT was fast LOL then i lost to a 2005 v6 mustang and i realized how slow i really was haha. thats been 8 years ago. i haven't made that mistake since LOL

The only things that would make a cobra way heavier than a mach is the added supercharger weight and the IRS (which I didn't think weighed all too much more than a solid axle). The mach now has the supercharger weight, so it has got to be close to a cobra. I'm thinking it weighs close to or just over 3600 lbs. I'm sure he could have driven better, but it doesn't explain him starting in the same gear and getting yanked right from the start. He only started to creep back up in 4th gear.

And thanks for the compliments too!

Mach has an aluminum block in its favor, vs the Cobras cast block. There's about a 250lb weight difference. But...you are correct about the blower weight, definitely closer in weight than before.

Machs need to start off at a high rpm to do work. To me it looks like that Mach needed to be in a lower gear. At 60 mph with 4.10s, I had to be in 3rd gear with my Mach or it was over before it began. Machs have to be driven like you're trying to kill it for them to impress. Unfortunately, that's rarely the case, lol.

Any track times for the GTO?