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Old 10-16-2012, 12:36 AM
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What is you opinion on doing a 4.10 on a A4 dd. What are the ups and downs of this?
Old 10-16-2012, 06:28 AM
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I ran 4.56s' for 4 1/2 years,this past spring put the OEM 3.23 rearend back in. 4.56s' were great on the street,but too much for the strip,had to shift into 4th to finish the 1/4. If you're stock,or close to it,4.10s' would be the limit for the strip in order to trap in 3rd.
On the street,1st and 2nd with 4.56s' were wicked,mpg was good as the computor handled it well,21.5 mpg at freeway legal speeds,2500rpm @ 60mph 3000rpm @ 72mph.
Even took 5 trips to Florida from Ohio with the 4.56s'. Currently got the OEM 3.23 rearend in it. Gonna put the 4.56 rearend back in after I change it out to 3.73s or 4.10s'.
-4.56s' for a pure street car and fun
-4.10s' in a stock(or close to stock) car for street and strip
-3.73s' is the typical recommended ratio mod
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the only thing i have planned is SLP lip and LT headers and Borla exhaust. till i break the motor then i will be doing a cam and such when i go to rebuild. so i think i will go with the 4.56 for the rear seems like an awesome setup, did you notice any power difference?
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gears don't increase power (HP),gears increase torque (rotational force) to the axles. But to put it in perspective,and there'll probably be comments,made my 98 305hp car feel like a 430hp car. It became a good 1/8 miler with not much above that. In the 1/4,I'd be way ahead of low 12 sec cars at the 1/8 mile but then they'd go flying past me at about 3/4 track.
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I dont expect to do much track time if any at all <5% most of mine is a DD and a cruze around town. had a few challenges but i was curious if the 4.56 offered a chance at better gasmillage like you reported, im stuck between the 4.10 and 4.56 currently :c
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A 4.56 will give you better acceleration but at the expense of gas mileage. Also acceleration will ONLY be better if your tires are sticky enough and/or your power is low enough.
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Originally Posted by mrvedit
A 4.56 will give you better acceleration but at the expense of gas mileage. Also acceleration will ONLY be better if your tires are sticky enough and/or your power is low enough.
I have Nitto Extreme 555's all the way around, from what i can tell right now they are pretty sticky but wouldnt it have a lower RPM while cruzing down the highway say at 70?
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What size Ntto Extreme 555s' ? With the 4.56s' I had to go to Nitto Drag Radials 315-35-17 to get some launch traction.

With 3.23s' on long trips I got 24.5mpg,with 4.56s' got 21.5mpg. So 3.73s' should be 22.5mpg and 4.10s' should be 23.5mpg.
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Originally Posted by Mista Blazer
I have Nitto Extreme 555's all the way around, from what i can tell right now they are pretty sticky but wouldnt it have a lower RPM while cruzing down the highway say at 70?
A 4.56 rear will cause 10% HIGHER RPM at any speed than a 4.11.
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Originally Posted by FirstYrLS1Z
What size Ntto Extreme 555s' ? With the 4.56s' I had to go to Nitto Drag Radials 315-35-17 to get some launch traction.
The rears are NT555 315/35ZR17 102W 17"x11"
Thinking I may start out with 3.23 and if I want more ill go with a 3.73

My new issue/recent discovery. I was dicking around at a cruze night and tried to put the car in first... yeah that was a fight. Now it slips out of the selection and into second
Do not confuse this with trans slip. I'm talking about the selector. From 2-1 I have to hold it in place. Is this normal for these cars?
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2.73 geared cars don't allow the selector to go to 1st(blocked by a plastic tab).sounds like you're forcing the selector to 1st and the factory plastic thingy is popping it back to 2nd.
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Originally Posted by FirstYrLS1Z
2.73 geared cars don't allow the selector to go to 1st(blocked by a plastic tab).sounds like you're forcing the selector to 1st and the factory plastic thingy is popping it back to 2nd.
Well that would make sense.. can I remove it?
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Originally Posted by Mista Blazer
Well that would make sense.. can I remove it?
One question is why?
It has been said here many times - don't shift the 4L60E manually at the track; let it shift automatically. If necessary, tune it to shift at the RPM you want.
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yes,you can remove it,but not recommended. As previous post,let it shift 'auto' at the track.
From a stop in 3rd or 4th,the forward sprag is engaged,from a stop in 1st or 2nd,the overrunning clutches are engaged.Too much manual 1st or 2nd from a stop will prematurely burn up the overrunning clutch.
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Originally Posted by FirstYrLS1Z
yes,you can remove it,but not recommended. As previous post,let it shift 'auto' at the track.
From a stop in 3rd or 4th,the forward sprag is engaged,from a stop in 1st or 2nd,the overrunning clutches are engaged.Too much manual 1st or 2nd from a stop will prematurely burn up the overrunning clutch.
Well that is a really good thing to know have never thought that it could do damage like that. And I really would hate to have to drop the trans



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