SideStep

I whittled my cam choice down to these two for my "cam only" install. Signature has the rest of my mods. I don't mind rumble and lope but if it will not idle I cannot go there. I am trying to get as much “cam” as possible WITHOUT PCM tuning.

Lunati 221 / 221 .558 / .558 114 LSA

TR 224 / 224 .561 / .561 114 LSA

If so;
Are you happy with the idle?
Did you HAVE to get the PCM tuned?

Any info will be appreciated!
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I have a 2001 C5/6spd with a BlackWing, FLPS, and Corsa Pace Car cat-backs....

<small>[ March 24, 2003, 07:52 AM: Message edited by: SideStep ]</small>

Jason99T/A

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I have had both cams back in the day. Both cams drove about the same around town, but the TR224 did feel a little more responsive power wise. It's hard to compare the two on the dyno since I changed motors,etc. You can't go wrong either way, but the TR224 would definitely get my vote.

Jason

Cal

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Sidestep, someone posted sound clips of both of these cams a while back, do a search. If you can't find them, I can email them to you. The 224 sounded a lot cooler if you like lope. If you like a smooth idle, the B1 (221) sounds better. The 224 should make more power, but peak at around 6600 rpm. I'm trying to make the same decisin myself . . . I think it will be the TR224 for me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

SideStep

Cal,

If you would email them to the below address I would appreciate it. This is getting long in-tooth I need to make a decision and get it over with.

Thanks,
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shamrockx@mindspring.com

98TAauto

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i had to use edit for my Comp Cam XE 224 114 cam to get my idle right. With any cam you will need some tuning, but ive seen cars that are hit or miss. Some just drop a cam in and she idles FINE! Mine wouldnt idle for crap and surged like a **** <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

the B1 will require less tuning but probably make 6-10hp less across the band. The B1 would be nice cam to start with, so you could always go bigger later on <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

good luck.... BTW, the 224 does ROCK! see sig <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
i havent been to a dyno yet to find out wtf my A/F and HP numbers are...Just backyard tuning in farmville <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

jfm

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I did not see your sig posted.A4 or M6?

I have the TR224/224-112 in my A4.I had TR mail tune my PCM[great job]for my mods.I then used Autotap to tweak my TB.I can say my car idles great,in and out of gear and no surging.

If you are an M6 I think just working the TB will get your idle right but you want the rev limit raised some,as with any cam to take full advantage.

SideStep

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I did not see your sig posted.A4 or M6?

I have the TR224/224-112 in my A4.I had TR mail tune my PCM[great job]for my mods.I then used Autotap to tweak my TB.I can say my car idles great,in and out of gear and no surging.

If you are an M6 I think just working the TB will get your idle right but you want the rev limit raised some,as with any cam to take full advantage. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooops..
I have a 2001 C5/6spd with a BlackWing, FLPS, and Corsa Pace Car cat-backs....

Paul F

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cal:
<strong>The 224 should make more power, but peak at around 6600 rpm.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not quite. The TR224 will need to be shifted about 6600rpms but will make peak power about 6200rpms. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

SideStep

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Not quite. The TR224 will need to be shifted about 6600rpms but will make peak power about 6200rpms.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Paul,
Thanks for the reply! I spoke with you earlier today about the TR 224/224/.561/.114lsa cam for my 2001 C5/6spd, Scott Snyder.

Thanks for the info...
Scott

Cal

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SideStep:
<strong> Cal,

If you would email them to the below address I would appreciate it. This is getting long in-tooth I need to make a decision and get it over with.

Thanks,
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
shamrockx@mindspring.com </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll send you those clips tonight after work. I can't email anything that big from here.

SideStep

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'll send you those clips tonight after work. I can't email anything that big from here. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cool, thanks!
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Cal

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Paul @ Thunder:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cal:
<strong>The 224 should make more power, but peak at around 6600 rpm.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not quite. The TR224 will need to be shifted about 6600rpms but will make peak power about 6200rpms. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Paul,
That's the information I was given from tech support at Comp Cams on a 224/224 duration cam with XE ramps. I believe Comp Cams is who actually makes the TR224, correct? I would like to believe what you are saying is true; that would make the TR224 better for my application. I understand that the 114 LSA version peaks 200 rpm higher than the 112 LSA version.

<small>[ March 24, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Cal ]</small>

JaSSon

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ive got a 221.558.112.(t1) and im am happy with my results. im ready for heads.

Ronny_02_WS6

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Did you had to do a tune on it or you can run it with without tuning???

HAZ-Matt

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This thread is 7 yr old so I dunno if you will get a useful reply

PREDATOR-Z

Forget reply, do not cam without a tune, end of story. That would be the dumbest thing I've heard of.

Fbodyjunkie06

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^ Yea and that it wasn't said 8 years ago when this thread was made is beyond me. I guess 8 years ago pcm tuning was a complicated and time consuming process.

thunderstruck507

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My friend has a stock cam from a different year ls1 (98 cam in a 02 car) and it idles and drives like crap with it's current tune.

No way in hell I would put an aftermarket cam in and not get a tune.