Best Heads for my setup?
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Best Heads for my setup?
Mods. in comment. Trying to figure out the best patriot heads for my setup.
http://www.lmperformance.com/c/6/1.html
Which ones would give me the most power for not that much of a cost? what all other things do i need gaskets, ext. also for install? Thanks.
the ls6 heads fit on ls1 correct just wanted to make sure.
also what is the diff. between assembly and Bare?
http://www.lmperformance.com/c/6/1.html
Which ones would give me the most power for not that much of a cost? what all other things do i need gaskets, ext. also for install? Thanks.
the ls6 heads fit on ls1 correct just wanted to make sure.
also what is the diff. between assembly and Bare?
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If the recall of some of the Patriot heads wasn't enough to make you not want them, the lower than average performance they will give you should. You should spend an extra hundred or 2 bucks and get these: https://ls1tech.com/forums/sponsor-sales-specials/293780-tea-5-3-stage-1-5-sale.html If you do that, you'll save yourself alot of time by going ahead and getting one of the best heads out there. The performance you would gain over the Patriots would be awesome. The diffrence between assembled and bare is that one come assembaled with valves, springs, locks, and retainers. The bares are nothing but the head casting. Don't let the Stage 1,2,3 crap fool you. You'll get far more performance from the TEA 1.5's than you will the Stage 2 or 3 LS-6 "style" heads. FYI, they are not real LS-6 castings.
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Originally Posted by 99CamaroSS_
thanks man. i appreciate the info. any other suggestions about heads would be nice as well, ill check these ones out.
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They are deffinatlly great heads. I'm glad you can see past the hype of the Stage numbers. Most just think that a Stage 2 has to be better a Stage 1 and so on. In reality, it couldn't be farther from the truth. It's always good to compare the amount of flow per the size of the runner. You should also check the HP numbers and customer support. TEA has all of the above.
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yea they do sound good. What would be the difference if i were to get the 5.3 stage 1.5 over the 5.7 stage 1.5? the price are pretty much the same... so whats the difference?
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Originally Posted by 99CamaroSS_
yea they do sound good. What would be the difference if i were to get the 5.3 stage 1.5 over the 5.7 stage 1.5? the price are pretty much the same... so whats the difference?
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If Tony Mamo's C5 running 11.29 at 124 with a small 224-228 camshaft and a set of AFR 205 heads isn't enough to show you how good these heads are, I don't know what can be said to convince you!
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That'd be great if everyone could do that Ed, but I haven't seen many people be able to duplicate what he has done. It's also aggrivating to think that you would have to buy every single mod he has and have LAPD do your tuning to get close to the same numbers. I'll agree that they are nice out of the box heads, but I still believe there are better heads out there. These just haven't lived up to the "hype" that was surrounding them. Everybody has there own opinion, and this is just mine.
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That'd be great if everyone could do that Ed, but I haven't seen many people be able to duplicate what he has done. It's also aggrivating to think that you would have to buy every single mod he has and have LAPD do your tuning to get close to the same numbers. I'll agree that they are nice out of the box heads, but I still believe there are better heads out there. These just haven't lived up to the "hype" that was surrounding them. Everybody has there own opinion, and this is just mine.
Quite a few independent shops AND individuals for that matter have seen excellent results....especially the ones that don't have an interest in selling their reworked factory castings. Dont forget guys....there is "economics" involved in a lot of the advice you might be getting. Don't take my word for it or theirs....do your homework and try to get truly unbiased facts from independent sources (not so easy to do).
And as far as these heads not "living up to the hype"....thats pure BS in my opinion. Did you expect another 50 HP over some of the better stuff out there?....Lets be realistic here. These heads consistantly deliver the goods, especially when time and care is put into the install and the tune. And dont forget, most of the info you are guaging us by is using our 205 "street" head....wait till more 225 headed combo's start hitting the street.
Thats my opinion...
Right back at ya...
Tony M.
PS....I have seen you constantly put down AFR's stuff and have been biting my tongue the entire time....It gets a little frustrating when I KNOW the product we offer is quality.
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Tony what kind of Power increase did you see when you did these heads over the stock ones? or did you do a cam/heads package at the same time? if so how much hp increase was it? i would like to know thanks!
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
PS....I have seen you constantly put down AFR's stuff and have been biting my tongue the entire time....It gets a little frustrating when I KNOW the product we offer is quality.
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That'd be great if everyone could do that Ed, but I haven't seen many people be able to duplicate what he has done. It's also aggrivating to think that you would have to buy every single mod he has and have LAPD do your tuning to get close to the same numbers. I'll agree that they are nice out of the box heads, but I still believe there are better heads out there. These just haven't lived up to the "hype" that was surrounding them. Everybody has there own opinion, and this is just mine.
In addition, and on a more personal note, LAPD did not deliver that tune, I did. LAPD has a nice dyno, and that is the extent to which LAPD earned any credit for Tony’s numbers.
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Originally Posted by C5Corvette
In addition, and on a more personal note, LAPD did not deliver that tune, I did. LAPD has a nice dyno, and that is the extent to which LAPD earned any credit for Tony’s numbers.
And thats the name of that tune.
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Let's keep this in perspective... The best at what? Who out there has the best heads for every setup? I would sure like to know. That way, I could go to the drags and win...go to the road-course and win...go to the modifieds and win...the oval, ect, etc, etc. See where I am going here?
Yes, performance has a lot to do with the tune. Of course, that is after the hardware is already in place. It's difficult, isn't it, to say that one person's success or failure is based strictly on the heads?
100 percent of the physical aspects (cam, pistons, rods, stroke, deck height...) of the engine design is not always within control of a head manufacturer (in fact, almost never). Therefore, it's MY opinion that nobody is the best. There may be a "best setup" for an individual configuration with a specific goal, but how are you going to know what that is without experience? Experience, like that of the engine builder sponsors, is critical to a successful design, which can then be successfully tuned to yield it's potential.
Sorry for the rant, but I have been reading this board for a year preparing to make (what I consider to be) a substantial investment in a power-plant for a car I am building. I don't have piles of extra cash to make a mistake on $2,500 heads (or any other parts). Now that the car is closer, I can focus on the right combination. If there's one thing I have learned, it's the complete combination that counts...not just the heads.
Lastly, companies sink or swim on reputation...that is, their product, pricing, and service. Those that do it right 80 percent of the time will survive. Those with higher averages will thrive. My guess is most of the sponsors of this board do it better than most, or they wouldn't be here too long. From what I can tell, TEA and AFR in the top 5 percent in all categories; product, pricing, and service. I am sure, with the right combination of other components designed for a specific goal, either company is capable of delivering the numbers. It then comes down to personal choice, or that of your engine builder. Rant over...
Yes, performance has a lot to do with the tune. Of course, that is after the hardware is already in place. It's difficult, isn't it, to say that one person's success or failure is based strictly on the heads?
100 percent of the physical aspects (cam, pistons, rods, stroke, deck height...) of the engine design is not always within control of a head manufacturer (in fact, almost never). Therefore, it's MY opinion that nobody is the best. There may be a "best setup" for an individual configuration with a specific goal, but how are you going to know what that is without experience? Experience, like that of the engine builder sponsors, is critical to a successful design, which can then be successfully tuned to yield it's potential.
Sorry for the rant, but I have been reading this board for a year preparing to make (what I consider to be) a substantial investment in a power-plant for a car I am building. I don't have piles of extra cash to make a mistake on $2,500 heads (or any other parts). Now that the car is closer, I can focus on the right combination. If there's one thing I have learned, it's the complete combination that counts...not just the heads.
Lastly, companies sink or swim on reputation...that is, their product, pricing, and service. Those that do it right 80 percent of the time will survive. Those with higher averages will thrive. My guess is most of the sponsors of this board do it better than most, or they wouldn't be here too long. From what I can tell, TEA and AFR in the top 5 percent in all categories; product, pricing, and service. I am sure, with the right combination of other components designed for a specific goal, either company is capable of delivering the numbers. It then comes down to personal choice, or that of your engine builder. Rant over...