Mercedes vs LS1 torque ... why so high
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Mercedes vs LS1 torque ... why so high
Looking at the Mercedes website (to see what the AMG's are making these days), it shows the CL55 AMG making making 493 BHP and the torque numbers are 590 @1,800-3,500. Why is the torque SOOO much higher????
I'm asking because something is not right with those numbers, is it? My Trans Am is an A4. Using the 15% rule for powertrain loss, my car makes over 460 RWHP ... translating roughly about 525+ bhp. But, the torque is only barely over 400 at a much higher rpm. Are the torque numbers at lower rpm's the reason the CL55 AMG torque numbers are so high? About what would they be at 6,000 rpm?
Will this guy walk me in the 1/4 mile and 0-60?
I'm asking because something is not right with those numbers, is it? My Trans Am is an A4. Using the 15% rule for powertrain loss, my car makes over 460 RWHP ... translating roughly about 525+ bhp. But, the torque is only barely over 400 at a much higher rpm. Are the torque numbers at lower rpm's the reason the CL55 AMG torque numbers are so high? About what would they be at 6,000 rpm?
Will this guy walk me in the 1/4 mile and 0-60?
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Originally Posted by JEB99TA
Looking at the Mercedes website (to see what the AMG's are making these days), it shows the CL55 AMG making making 493 BHP and the torque numbers are 590 @1,800-3,500. Why is the torque SOOO much higher????
I'm asking because something is not right with those numbers, is it? My Trans Am is an A4. Using the 15% rule for powertrain loss, my car makes over 460 RWHP ... translating roughly about 525+ bhp. But, the torque is only barely over 400 at a much higher rpm. Are the torque numbers at lower rpm's the reason the CL55 AMG torque numbers are so high? About what would they be at 6,000 rpm?
Will this guy walk me in the 1/4 mile and 0-60?
I'm asking because something is not right with those numbers, is it? My Trans Am is an A4. Using the 15% rule for powertrain loss, my car makes over 460 RWHP ... translating roughly about 525+ bhp. But, the torque is only barely over 400 at a much higher rpm. Are the torque numbers at lower rpm's the reason the CL55 AMG torque numbers are so high? About what would they be at 6,000 rpm?
Will this guy walk me in the 1/4 mile and 0-60?
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The CL55 AMG has a blower on it! Forced induction gives lots more power and torque for the same displacement. Add a blower to your car and even the score...it only takes cubic dollars.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
The CL55 AMG has a blower on it! Forced induction gives lots more power and torque for the same displacement. Add a blower to your car and even the score...it only takes cubic dollars.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
The CL55 AMG has a blower on it! Forced induction gives lots more power and torque for the same displacement. Add a blower to your car and even the score...it only takes cubic dollars.
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If they ever make a TT 3,000 lb supercar it will move.
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The answer is simple: Technology. They research and produce. There is a lot of money put into R&D and the price of the vehicles show it. Personally, I think the cars are worth every cent of their cost.
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Because of the weight of that car you will walk away from it also I rented a Amg cl55 while station in germany THANKS DISCOVER CARD!!! got in to it with a zo6 the vett was loud wich lead me to belive it had some mods long story short from an 60mph roll i gain a half car lenth on him but when the car shifted to 3rd he walk me pretty bad all the way up to 180 mph on autobahn 3 and kept pulling away I gave up but it was fun
Because of the weight of that car you will walk away from it also I rented a Amg cl55 while station in germany THANKS DISCOVER CARD!!! got in to it with a zo6 the vett was loud wich lead me to belive it had some mods long story short from an 60mph roll i gain a half car lenth on him but when the car shifted to 3rd he walk me pretty bad all the way up to 180 mph on autobahn 3 and kept pulling away I gave up but it was fun
jRaskell > With a 4300lb curb weight, it needs all the torque it can get.
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like everyone has said it is the roots blower...lots of low end torque. I have an 4.6 litre cobra with a kenne bell blower and it has as much torque as the mercedes. Makes the car harder to drag race because all the torque causes lots of wheelspin at low speeds.
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my best friend recently leased an 06 e55 amg. we haven't raced head to head yet but i've driven his car. from a roll it pulls MUCH harder than my car (my mods in sig). car and driver pulled a 12.39 at 116 stock and over at dragtimes.com there are several stock ones in the low 12's and even one in the 11's! these cars are no joke. torque peaks at 2600rpm and holds all the way to 5000 plus rpm where it finally starts to drop.
fwiw his lease payment is $1,500 monthly for 36 months. he also said it makes his g5x3 cam only SS feel like a dog cruising around town.
fwiw his lease payment is $1,500 monthly for 36 months. he also said it makes his g5x3 cam only SS feel like a dog cruising around town.
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Hey, I retired from 1st Cav ... was the DIVARTY Commo Chief for several years ... Apache Training Brigade Commo Chief for 2 years too ... also spent my first 3 Army years in Germany, as well ... commo guy in the Field Artillery ... small world!
It will be a while befor i get out But this is my 2 tour in Iraq
But the more money i get the more parts i buy
sorry Yeah those mercs are quick for the money but give me an Fbody anyday and 8k and it will be faster than it
Didn't realize they were that heavy ... thought my pigiron weighed in a lot! 12 cylinders prob doesn't help a lot.
It will be a while befor i get out But this is my 2 tour in Iraq
But the more money i get the more parts i buy
sorry Yeah those mercs are quick for the money but give me an Fbody anyday and 8k and it will be faster than it
Didn't realize they were that heavy ... thought my pigiron weighed in a lot! 12 cylinders prob doesn't help a lot.
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Only thing in the Mercedes line that I think will murder me is the SLR McClaren (for sure). SL600 Roadster (maybe), CL 600 Coupe (maybe), x65 AMG series (major trouble ... may need to plan my death for these guys).
Once my nitrous setup goes on ... don't think there's anything to worry about ... just too bad I'll have to once again change up injectors and fuel pump. By the time I end up spending more on my F-Body, I could have one of those Supercharged Mercedes (for cryin' out loud!) Oh well, I think my F-Body is more fun, anyway.
Once my nitrous setup goes on ... don't think there's anything to worry about ... just too bad I'll have to once again change up injectors and fuel pump. By the time I end up spending more on my F-Body, I could have one of those Supercharged Mercedes (for cryin' out loud!) Oh well, I think my F-Body is more fun, anyway.
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Originally Posted by 02 Camaro SS
Even still, that's a ridiculous amount of low end torque. That's sounds like the kind of number you'd get from a diesel.