HPPT3 or Predator ????
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? Look in this section for announcements on
Predator deals. There're some going on now
that are as good as the group purchase I
got mine from.
I found the Predator really simple to use,
its capabilities include everything the
HPP3 can do (as I understand it) and many
things it can't, including monitoring things
(real time on its screen).
Predator performance tune can be revised by
the manufacturer or reps, and they do this
for free for the users. HPP3, you get what
you get. If you get minimal gains from the
Predator, you can have the tune adjusted for
your situation. If you get minimal gains from
the HPP3, so sorry.
On the other hand, prices on used HPP3s seem
to have taken a dive lately.
Predator deals. There're some going on now
that are as good as the group purchase I
got mine from.
I found the Predator really simple to use,
its capabilities include everything the
HPP3 can do (as I understand it) and many
things it can't, including monitoring things
(real time on its screen).
Predator performance tune can be revised by
the manufacturer or reps, and they do this
for free for the users. HPP3, you get what
you get. If you get minimal gains from the
Predator, you can have the tune adjusted for
your situation. If you get minimal gains from
the HPP3, so sorry.
On the other hand, prices on used HPP3s seem
to have taken a dive lately.
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? The things stated above are true. I have the HPPIII - bought it 2 weeks before the Predator was announced. Wish I had known. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Get the Predator now while the introductory deals are on. You won't regret it.
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BLK02WS6
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The things stated above are true. I have the HPPIII - bought it 2 weeks before the Predator was announced. Wish I had known. Get the Predator now while the introductory deals are on. You won't regret it </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">but what were you able to do with the hpp3 and were you happy with it ?
and what were you able to do with the predator ? vs. the hpp3 ?
Member # 6102 posted March 12, 2003 06:22 PM
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The things stated above are true. I have the HPPIII - bought it 2 weeks before the Predator was announced. Wish I had known. Get the Predator now while the introductory deals are on. You won't regret it </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">but what were you able to do with the hpp3 and were you happy with it ?
and what were you able to do with the predator ? vs. the hpp3 ?
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? The real time diagonstics were a good enough reason for me. Plus, you can adjust more parameters with Predator, than with HPP3. If you don't want something like Edit, Predator is the way to go.
03-18-2003, 04:04 PM
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? I've had my Predator about one week and I love it;
Among other things, it lets you firm up A4 shifts by increasing line pressure AND reducing shift duration (this is what I wanted);
it lets you alter diff ratio in 0.01 increments;
it lets you alter cooling fan turn on/off temps in 1 degree increments;
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the HPP lets do you these things (or at least to this fine granularity).
...And the (backlit) LCD is huge...
Sure the Predator costs more, but you get what you pay for (and you only live one lifetime...).
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ March 18, 2003, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: joecar ]</small>
Among other things, it lets you firm up A4 shifts by increasing line pressure AND reducing shift duration (this is what I wanted);
it lets you alter diff ratio in 0.01 increments;
it lets you alter cooling fan turn on/off temps in 1 degree increments;
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think the HPP lets do you these things (or at least to this fine granularity).
...And the (backlit) LCD is huge...
Sure the Predator costs more, but you get what you pay for (and you only live one lifetime...).
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ March 18, 2003, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: joecar ]</small>
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by bdawg/98mecham9:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BLK02WS6
Member # 6102 posted March 12, 2003 06:22 PM
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The things stated above are true. I have the HPPIII - bought it 2 weeks before the Predator was announced. Wish I had known. Get the Predator now while the introductory deals are on. You won't regret it </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">but what were you able to do with the hpp3 and were you happy with it ?
and what were you able to do with the predator ? vs. the hpp3 ? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I bit the bullet - sold my HPPIII for almost half price and bought the Predator - it is great - I love it!!
With the Hypertech, you are stuck with the tune that they supply (and it rarely works in any cars-especially when you start mods). However, with the Predator, you have much more flexibility with everything. It is only a small step below LS1 Edit in my opinion! You can adjust from the base tuning enough to satisfy most cars, and when you go H/C or Blower, the Diablo people will give you a new base program for the Predator. And from that new base, you will have the same range of adjustment that you had before!
I highly recommend this over the Hypertech any day for the extra $$!!!!! I've had both now, so I can say that!
The only thing that I have seen so far that is not quite as good in the Predator is: the shift firmness is not quite as hard at max adjust as I would like it. The Hypertech had a little more firmness to it. But that is a very small item compared to the load of advantages!
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BLK02WS6
Member # 6102 posted March 12, 2003 06:22 PM
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The things stated above are true. I have the HPPIII - bought it 2 weeks before the Predator was announced. Wish I had known. Get the Predator now while the introductory deals are on. You won't regret it </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">but what were you able to do with the hpp3 and were you happy with it ?
and what were you able to do with the predator ? vs. the hpp3 ? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I bit the bullet - sold my HPPIII for almost half price and bought the Predator - it is great - I love it!!
With the Hypertech, you are stuck with the tune that they supply (and it rarely works in any cars-especially when you start mods). However, with the Predator, you have much more flexibility with everything. It is only a small step below LS1 Edit in my opinion! You can adjust from the base tuning enough to satisfy most cars, and when you go H/C or Blower, the Diablo people will give you a new base program for the Predator. And from that new base, you will have the same range of adjustment that you had before!
I highly recommend this over the Hypertech any day for the extra $$!!!!! I've had both now, so I can say that!
The only thing that I have seen so far that is not quite as good in the Predator is: the shift firmness is not quite as hard at max adjust as I would like it. The Hypertech had a little more firmness to it. But that is a very small item compared to the load of advantages!
03-19-2003, 11:15 PM
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? I love my predator. One huge advantage the others didnt mention was the ability to raise the rev limiter and raise the shift points. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> I havent been to the track yet but it feels like it made a large difference. I have the 2.73 gears and went from a 1-2 shift at 44mph to 53mph <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by koolrayz:
<strong> I love my predator. One huge advantage the others didnt mention was the ability to raise the rev limiter and raise the shift points. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> I havent been to the track yet but it feels like it made a large difference. I have the 2.73 gears and went from a 1-2 shift at 44mph to 53mph <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You better be careful raising the rev limiter unless you have upgraded the valvetrain!! The stock valvetrain won't take much more than the stock 6200 rpm rev limit!
<strong> I love my predator. One huge advantage the others didnt mention was the ability to raise the rev limiter and raise the shift points. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> I havent been to the track yet but it feels like it made a large difference. I have the 2.73 gears and went from a 1-2 shift at 44mph to 53mph <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You better be careful raising the rev limiter unless you have upgraded the valvetrain!! The stock valvetrain won't take much more than the stock 6200 rpm rev limit!
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I bit the bullet - sold my HPPIII for almost half price and bought the Predator - it is great - I love it!!
With the Hypertech, you are stuck with the tune that they supply (and it rarely works in any cars-especially when you start mods). However, with the Predator, you have much more flexibility with everything. It is only a small step below LS1 Edit in my opinion! You can adjust from the base tuning enough to satisfy most cars, and when you go H/C or Blower, the Diablo people will give you a new base program for the Predator. And from that new base, you will have the same range of adjustment that you had before!
I highly recommend this over the Hypertech any day for the extra $$!!!!! I've had both now, so I can say that!
The only thing that I have seen so far that is not quite as good in the Predator is: the shift firmness is not quite as hard at max adjust as I would like it. The Hypertech had a little more firmness to it. But that is a very small item compared to the load of advantages!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thanx for the in put , thats what i was looking for , when i have the $ thats what ill do & ill stop looking for a used hpp3 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
With the Hypertech, you are stuck with the tune that they supply (and it rarely works in any cars-especially when you start mods). However, with the Predator, you have much more flexibility with everything. It is only a small step below LS1 Edit in my opinion! You can adjust from the base tuning enough to satisfy most cars, and when you go H/C or Blower, the Diablo people will give you a new base program for the Predator. And from that new base, you will have the same range of adjustment that you had before!
I highly recommend this over the Hypertech any day for the extra $$!!!!! I've had both now, so I can say that!
The only thing that I have seen so far that is not quite as good in the Predator is: the shift firmness is not quite as hard at max adjust as I would like it. The Hypertech had a little more firmness to it. But that is a very small item compared to the load of advantages!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thanx for the in put , thats what i was looking for , when i have the $ thats what ill do & ill stop looking for a used hpp3 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by samuriarte:
<strong> Neither. Get Edit for only a little more. You won't regret it down the line. <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you don't have a laptop, it isn't "a little bit more"! Plus add in Autotap because Edit doesn't have any diagnostics and you are sitting at several times the cost of the Predator. And in my opinion you are paying for a whole lot of stuff that the average user won't ever use.
Don't get me wrong - LS1Edit and Autotap have their place with certain people, but for a vast number of us, the Predator fills a much wanted void in the middle of HPPIII and Edit/Autotap.
Just my 2 cents!
<strong> Neither. Get Edit for only a little more. You won't regret it down the line. <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you don't have a laptop, it isn't "a little bit more"! Plus add in Autotap because Edit doesn't have any diagnostics and you are sitting at several times the cost of the Predator. And in my opinion you are paying for a whole lot of stuff that the average user won't ever use.
Don't get me wrong - LS1Edit and Autotap have their place with certain people, but for a vast number of us, the Predator fills a much wanted void in the middle of HPPIII and Edit/Autotap.
Just my 2 cents!
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? Very good point! You forgot Keyspan adapter, invertor , etc. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I just get spoiled sometimes I guess. Bad me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I think I was pissed also cause they never helped me.
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? Neither. Get Edit for only a little more. You won't regret it down the line. <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" />
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? It would be nice if you could delete Torque Management on the '01-'02 F cars w/Predator. Supposedly you could, but everyone seems to say that you cannot....Anyone comment on this? A-4 guys, please.....WJ. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WJ 99 SS:
<strong> It would be nice if you could delete Torque Management on the '01-'02 F cars w/Predator. Supposedly you could, but everyone seems to say that you cannot....Anyone comment on this? A-4 guys, please.....WJ. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Torque Management is deleted in the base tune that is installed. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<strong> It would be nice if you could delete Torque Management on the '01-'02 F cars w/Predator. Supposedly you could, but everyone seems to say that you cannot....Anyone comment on this? A-4 guys, please.....WJ. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Torque Management is deleted in the base tune that is installed. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: HPPT3 or Predator ???? So with the predator u would be able to keep it hooked up and watch real time display while driving right? because thats exactly what im looking for
