Magic Stick V.4 239/242 Camshaft
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There are already 2 MS4 threads (one very large one actually). And yes, it can be daily driven-its much smaller than my DD cam. However, you will need a 3800+ stall converter, 3.73+ gears, all the bolt ons to get the most out of a cam that size. I imagine the LS2 oil pump and timing chain should be fine but you WILL need a dual spring kit and hardened pushrods.
Keep in mind the lift on that cam is pretty extreme and you would want to replace the springs around once a year to be on the safe side. You could go smaller and still see plenty of power if you don't want to daily drive a beast.
Keep in mind the lift on that cam is pretty extreme and you would want to replace the springs around once a year to be on the safe side. You could go smaller and still see plenty of power if you don't want to daily drive a beast.
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Originally Posted by silver04gto
Is a 239/242 Camshaft to big for a daily driver ? and will it be ok just installing cam on a ls1 gto or would i need heads also ?
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Originally Posted by silver04gto
Is a 239/242 Camshaft to big for a daily driver ? and will it be ok just installing cam on a ls1 gto or would i need heads also ?
Originally Posted by SVT THIS
And yes, it can be daily driven-its much smaller than my DD cam.
Originally Posted by udlose99ta
my ms3 is fine on the street with a 4k stall, think it would be worth swaping the ms3 for the ms4?
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Originally Posted by SVT THIS
There are already 2 MS4 threads (one very large one actually).
Originally Posted by SVT THIS
And yes, it can be daily driven-its much smaller than my DD cam.
Originally Posted by SVT THIS
However, you will need a 3800+ stall converter, 3.73+ gears, all the bolt ons to get the most out of a cam that size.
Originally Posted by SVT THIS
Keep in mind the lift on that cam is pretty extreme and you would want to replace the springs around once a year to be on the safe side.
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Why the heck would anyone want to DD a cam that big. You need to dump lots of fuel at it to have some kind of idle (that's called tuning). The exhaust will reak of gas so bad it will make your eyes water. You'll need a real loose conveter and decent gears to take advantage of the power band with a cam that big. Your gas milage will drop by 10. Some daily driver.
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Why the heck would anyone want to DD a cam that big. You need to dump lots of fuel at it to have some kind of idle (that's called tuning). The exhaust will reak of gas so bad it will make your eyes water. You'll need a real loose conveter and decent gears to take advantage of the power band with a cam that big. Your gas milage will drop by 10. Some daily driver.
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Originally Posted by 1BAD02WS6
SVT THIS just got worked!!!
And by the way, it's silly to run a cam with that kind of lift unless you have a real purpose for the car other than getting groceries.
My car made 421rwhp cam only with a 236/236 .580 112 LSA using Comp 918 springs which will last forever. How much more can you expect from a N/A stock cubed LS1 without heads? Why hammer the valves when the stock 241 heads run out of flow anyway beyond .590 lift? (point of dimishing returns)
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Originally Posted by FIREHAWK#608
My car made 421rwhp cam only with a 236/236 .580 112 LSA using Comp 918 springs which will last forever. How much more can you expect from a N/A stock cubed LS1 without heads? Why hammer the valves when the stock 241 heads run out of flow anyway beyond .590 lift? (point of dimishing returns)
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Originally Posted by Rubadubdub
Why the heck would anyone want to DD a cam that big. You need to dump lots of fuel at it to have some kind of idle (that's called tuning). The exhaust will reak of gas so bad it will make your eyes water. You'll need a real loose conveter and decent gears to take advantage of the power band with a cam that big. Your gas milage will drop by 10. Some daily driver.
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Originally Posted by s346k
you're looking at peak hp and nothing more. i would almost guarantee that the ms4 provides similar, if not better, under the curve power and a broader curve before/after peak.
Before and after. gained 38 rwhp and 40 rwtq with the tune! Stock was 10/1 A/F ratio. This is all done on a .580 lift so it's not hammering the valves as hard as the .630+ cams will.
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Thats a huge cam to daily drive. I would guess you coudl daily drive a pro stock car if you were willing to put up with it, though. Try and find someone with an MS3, ron jeremy cam, g5x4 or Trex and see how you like the BIG cams. If this is your first cam, I wouldnt suggest starting out with something this big. Take a look at the torquer 2, perhaps.