2.73 Vette

Well my friend just got a 05 NSX manual and we decided to go have a little fun..

I was expecting to kill him easily since the mags say his car can do 12.9-13.3 stock and Im only a tenth behind the stock gen 2 Vipers at the local strip and around 2 tenths faster than the stock C5Z06's at the same strip..

So he should be no problem......WRONG..Mag times dont tell the hole story..

Before we even raced he took me for a ride in the car a few days ago and I thought it fely VERY FAST...But thought that it was becasue we were so low to the ground and just dismissed it..

BIG MISTAKE....We go on the 3 honk from a 30 mph roll and we stay side by side each other with neighter gaining an inch all the way to 95 mph were we shut down for an upcoming light.

I could not beleave what just happenned. Everyone says these cars are so slow...

But it wasnt slow at all..Actually very very fast and the fastest bone stock car Ive ever raced....

Ive killed Fbodys and 03 Cobras with out a sweat at these speeds..

I recently pulled a 2006 911s at these speeds ( quite easily)

And lost a few months ago to a 430 rwhp Supra by 2 cars going from 70-140 mph....

How could his NSX be so fast???? If it's only a 12.9-13.3 second car???

Well I did some research and found the following stats..

-3100 pounds
-.30 drag
-270 rwhp
-8000 rpm redline
-4.06 gears

-378 rwhp vrs 270-280 rwhp means I have a 1 second advantage
-well he's 100 pounds lighter than me so thers a tenth he earned back
-.29 vrs .30 means are arodynamics are virtually the same
-8000 rpm's vrs my 6300 rpm's means he probaly takes 2 tenths back
-my 2.73's vrs his 4.06's means he probaly takes 5 tenths back..

So do to gearing and rpm's as well as weight it seems like my car is really only 2 tenths faster despite the rwhp differance????

So why do the NSX's only run 12.9-13.3 at the strip if they can run with 378 rwhp C5's on the freeway????

What I noticed is that anything from 1000-4500 rpm's in his car feels sluggish..( like high 14 second car sluggish) but when it gets to 4600 rpm's it pulls as hard as my 378 rwhp Vette all the way to it's 8000 rpm red line...


I think that if the NSX had more tourque and could pull as hard from 1000-45000 rpm's as it dose from 4600-8000 rpm's that it would be a low to mid 12 second car bone stock...

Talk about being surprised!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW. He bought his car last month with only 200 miles on it. It is bone stock.

Humvee z28

i didnt notice a converter in ur mods, that and a 3.73 gear swap and u should be kicking the **** out of him. i know when i had my stock converter and 3.23 gears i had a nice kickdown to 1st gear at that speed. with a converter and gears u would murder him,

25psi

Whats up man, I saw this thread on the my350z board. Alot of people think that the nsx or slow, but any year nsx is faster than an ls1 especially as the speeds increase.

Stock for stock in my 350z, one of my friends pulled me in his. I dont know, maybe there underrated like many Japanese cars.

I think the nsx-t or something like that, is a mid to low 12 sec car.

98TADRIVER

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[QUOTE=25psi]Whats up man, I saw this thread on the my350z board. Alot of people think that the nsx or slow, but any year nsx is faster than an ls1 especially as the speeds increase.QUOTE]

Easy now, you dont want to start a war here...

CTSVSL65AMG

I have been saying this for months......

I rest my case.

The NSX is NOT SLOW.

Good run!

25psi

Im not starting a war, Im just posting facts. I dont do magazine numbers becuase it varies throughout different magazines. But I do go by experience and can attest to the fact that I was in the car with my friend who happens to own a 2003 nsx.

We where on our way back from Lufkin about a year ago, when an m6 99ss proceeds to follow us. He comes up on the side of us and decides he wants to jump at us. So we obligued. We take it down to a 30 punch and hit it. From there till 100 or so we where pretty much even(with a slight edge to the nsx) until we reached speeds in excess of 100+ where the areodynamics and gearing played a factor. We finally stopped about 150 or so with a 2 car lead. We ran about 5 times and the results where the same.

25psi

People will never learn. Ive been saying the same thing for years.

Car RamRod

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nobody says theyre slow.
The general concencus is that they are slow for the pricetag.

c5_ls1_6spd

iTrader: (-1)

not faster than a stock LS1 '02+ C5 coupe & FRC 6spd.....even as speeds increase the LS1 would be faster.
It may be faster than the stock TA/SS/WS6 LS1, but not the C5 LS1.

CamaroSS621

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do the driver mod and I promise the ls1 would win

25psi

Where talking stock for stock. And yes I am refering to camaro's and hawks.

25psi

I still beg to differ. This car is under 100k, still cheaper than a Ferrari, 911 turbo, Lambo and cars 2-3 times its price range.

Plus price is purely subjective.

Car RamRod

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yes, but said cars would rip the engine out of the nsx.
The car is barely under 100k, and there are cars in the pricerange and less that can beat it no sweat. Nothing against the nsx, its a gorgeous car and decent performer, but not the unbeatable machine that it seems to be regarded as in this thread.

CamaroSS621

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id rather have a neon

just fyi: my neighbor has a 600hp NSX and i blew his doors off with my little camaro

25psi

Name one car besides the vette and elise under 100k, that can out handle, out brake, out slalom and has the exclusiveness as the nsx.

Car RamRod

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Are we talking cars being produced the same year or others as well.
And the exclusiveness is a load of bs; it doesnt matter in a performance comparison.

CamaroSS621

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srt10 viper for one, saleens

25psi

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...26fb80d2a9.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9a0cf94792.htm

These are stock times. Notice how they managed to get a 12.8, about the same time as a stock c5 or c6.

Also did you manage to see a 100hp difference between the Ferrari and Nsx?

25psi

Same year or others, doesnt matter.

2.73 Vette

Are you guys not hearing what I said??????

My car has 378 rwhp and his stock NSX styed dead even with me..

The only C5 that will stand a chance is a C5Z06 ( from a roll) will kill it in the 1/4 mile..

And honestly I can pull stock C5Z06's at the strip....havent ran one on the freeway so Im not sure.

A coupe or frc or convertable C5..SS..WS6...GTO 04/05 you name it will get pulled hard by a stock 1997 and up NSX.

If I had my bone stock 299 rwhp it would have been very ugly for me...

You have to look at it like this...

A C5 will dyno roughly300 rwhp
A NSX will dyno roughly 270 rwhp

A C5 weighs around 3270 pounds
A NSX weighs around 3120 pounds

So the C5 has 30 more rwhp and the NSX has 150 pounds less weight..

As far as power to weight goes their both nearly identical...

The C5 has a .29 drag rating
The NSX has a .30 drag rating

Is their any coincidence with their power to weight ratio being nearly the same and arodynamics being nearly the same that they both have a top speed of 170 mph????

They are very evenly matched..

So why do I think the NSX will pull basicly any C5 if their so evenlt matched..

C5's have 2.73...3.15 and 3.42 gearing
NSX's have 4.06 gears

Imagine how fast a bone stock manual C5 would be with the only mod being that it had 4.06 gearing????

The manual C5 would easily be 3 tenths faster through the1/4 mile..

Now imagine that the C5 had the NSX's 8000 rpm red line??? Another easy two tenths faster...

So everything from power to weight to arodynamics and top speed is the samefor these cars..

EXCEPT gearing and rpm's wich can really effect a cars performance....

But the NSX dosent have all the advantages in this comparo..It lacks the low end tourque of the C5 and until it's in it's 4600-8000 powerband is quite slow..

But in the race we did there was never a time when he wasnt in his powerband..

If we had raced from a dead stop I would have immediatly put 3-4 cars on him by 70 mph and stayed that way till we shut down at 100 plus mph...

But on a freeway roll they are VERY DANDEOUS