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Old 10-17-2006, 06:58 PM
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I just picked up a set of 853 heads hand ported with stock valves and 918 springs. Im going to run these with a 224/224 .564 112 cam or a 224/228 .563 112 cam. I want to know how much to mill these heads to get me close to a 10:9:1 compression using new stock head gaskets? Also if i mill these to get this compression what length pushrods do i need? I havent bought the gaskets so im open to sugestions. thanks
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what is your reason for using a stock sized head gasket? Using a thinner one from Cometic or whichever company you prefer will get you a better quench area and you'll have to cut the heads less which is good if you ever want to re sell them. Just my $.02
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Originally Posted by ArrestMeRed99Z28
what is your reason for using a stock sized head gasket? Using a thinner one from Cometic or whichever company you prefer will get you a better quench area and you'll have to cut the heads less which is good if you ever want to re sell them. Just my $.02
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Thats what im trying to find out. I have serched and could not find what im looking for. If i use one of those gaskets how much do i have to mill to get arround my desired compression? And if i do that what length pushrods will i have to use to work. thanks
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If you use a cometic part #C5788-040, mill the heads approx. .018", you should end up with a compression of approx. 10.9-11.0.
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Make sure the 853's don't have the infamous notch in them (mine do) if so you'll need to run composite gaskets to seal them.
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Originally Posted by muncie21
Make sure the 853's don't have the infamous notch in them (mine do) if so you'll need to run composite gaskets to seal them.

What notch?
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Originally Posted by Gunnar@Patriot
If you use a cometic part #C5788-040, mill the heads approx. .018", you should end up with a compression of approx. 10.9-11.0.
Do you have these in stock, and these will work with the 853 heads. thanks
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Originally Posted by muncie21
Make sure the 853's don't have the infamous notch in them (mine do) if so you'll need to run composite gaskets to seal them.
Im not sure about the notch, please explain? Also what brand of gaskets are these composite gaskets?
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Also how much do i mill these using stock gaskets #12498543 to get arround a 11:0 compression? (The heads are not a big deal, so resale is not a concern) thanks
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The info below was originally posted by SDPC (can't find the post now) but it tells you all you would want to know about 'the notch'.

BTW, my 853 heads from a 99 had the notch...and guess what..they leaked when I used MLS gaskets on them. Enjoy.

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Originally Posted by muncie21
The info below was originally posted by SDPC (can't find the post now) but it tells you all you would want to know about 'the notch'.

BTW, my 853 heads from a 99 had the notch...and guess what..they leaked when I used MLS gaskets on them. Enjoy.

Ok, yes mine have the notch you are talking about. If i just get some GM gaskets #12498543 this is the gaskets for the earlier year ls1's should work to seal that notch up right? What gaskets did you end up using then? thanks
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Originally Posted by Long Beach
Ok, yes mine have the notch you are talking about. If i just get some GM gaskets #12498543 this is the gaskets for the earlier year ls1's should work to seal that notch up right? What gaskets did you end up using then? thanks
The earlier head gaskets should have different part numbers for right/left side. They are composite gaskets, as apposed to MLS ones, also.

I ended up putting 317 (6.0L) heads on mine and used the 6.0L MLS gasket. Works great, no complaints.
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Originally Posted by muncie21
The earlier head gaskets should have different part numbers for right/left side. They are composite gaskets, as apposed to MLS ones, also.

I ended up putting 317 (6.0L) heads on mine and used the 6.0L MLS gasket. Works great, no complaints.
The reason im asking is i went to the dealership and they told me that i need part # GM part number 12498543. They said it comes in a set of two. They said this is the gaskets needed for years 1997-1999, the 2000-200+ use #GMPN 12498544. So should i just buy the first set, assuming that they are two different gaskets that i will need? thanks
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Sounds like it's a kit. It should work, provided it's the composite gasket. Really easy to tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by muncie21
Sounds like it's a kit. It should work, provided it's the composite gasket. Really easy to tell the difference.
How can i tell if it is composite? It will not be stacked sheetmetal or what. thanks
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Default older heads on my 02 trans am Help

i recently got a set of 806 heads with a bunch of cnc work by slp got the flow numbers from them there pretty good anyways i put them on my car havent started it yet. im hearing the head gaskets are not compatable with older heads and its going to spew coolant is this true help. if it is what gaskets do i run




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