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Old 01-20-2008, 10:38 AM
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Default Exactly what causes this crap...

I've taken apart alot of engines in my life but only seen two that looked this bad inside. One motor was a turbo TA motor out of an 80 trans am that had Quakerstate motor oil in it. It had less than 100,000 miles, never figured out why it was so gunked up inside. This engine I bought real cheap and was told it "ran but was tired" so I decided to take a look inside and found a lot of questions. This engine only was supposed to have 70,000 miles on it and thats why I decided to look inside to see why a 70,000 mile LQ4 was "tired". It had a bearing (front main) that looked like it was oil starved but didnt spin.



What caused this black crap and how do I get it off all the covers? The solvent in my parts washer wont touch it.

Maybe lack of oil changes???

Thanks for you ideas, Tom
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Originally Posted by Torkman15
Maybe lack of oil changes???
exactly... 12-15000 miles between oil changes will do that...
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It looks like they never changed the oil.
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Originally Posted by 405HP_Z06
It looks like they never changed the oil.

Thats what I was thinking^^^^^^^^^Musta been a fleet motor.

I've been trying to convince my mom to change her oil more often but my uncle keeps telling her its ok to go 15,000 miles with Mobil1 extended life oil. I'll go 5,000 with regular Mobil1 in my 2002 Silverado 6.0L but no further no matter what. Uncle says "if you want to waste your money changing your oil too often go right ahead" I said "If you want to waste your money buying a new motor...

How do I get this **** off these covers? The thicker stuff scrapes off ok if its a flat spot on the cover but this stuff is nasty...
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Originally Posted by Torkman15
Thats what I was thinking^^^^^^^^^Musta been a fleet motor.

I've been trying to convince my mom to change her oil more often but my uncle keeps telling her its ok to go 15,000 miles with Mobil1 extended life oil. I'll go 5,000 with regular Mobil1 in my 2002 Silverado 6.0L but no further no matter what. Uncle says "if you want to waste your money changing your oil too often go right ahead" I said "If you want to waste your money buying a new motor...

How do I get this **** off these covers? The thicker stuff scrapes off ok if its a flat spot on the cover but this stuff is nasty...
Take it to a machine shop and have it vatted.
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GASOLINE + scotchbrite will take it off.
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Let it soak in some Seafoam!
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Oven cleaner will get it off. Let it sit for 30 minutes to an hour with it on there. I wouldn't try to have it vatted. Most machine shop vats don't play well with aluminum.
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Non LS6 valley covers can be had for cheap used.
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maybe the pcv was inoperative.....
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Originally Posted by Torkman15
Thats what I was thinking^^^^^^^^^Musta been a fleet motor.

I've been trying to convince my mom to change her oil more often but my uncle keeps telling her its ok to go 15,000 miles with Mobil1 extended life oil. I'll go 5,000 with regular Mobil1 in my 2002 Silverado 6.0L but no further no matter what. Uncle says "if you want to waste your money changing your oil too often go right ahead" I said "If you want to waste your money buying a new motor...

How do I get this **** off these covers? The thicker stuff scrapes off ok if its a flat spot on the cover but this stuff is nasty...
people who have there minds set on it usually dont care if you have an opinion epically family, good thing there is people like that out there though so i can keep making money
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
maybe the pcv was inoperative.....
Good call, that would cause the same condition.
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Its a build up of deposits (waxes and others) from poor quality oil and infrequent oil changes. When folks tell you oil breaks down, this is the result.
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
maybe the pcv was inoperative.....
ding ding ding!
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A wire wheel on a bench grinder works good for cleaning up parts too.
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that's the bottom of the cover...i didn't think much engine oil would be hitting it. looks like pcv was f'd up. i bought a 130,000 mile lq4 that had a **** ton of sludge in the pan and cam bearings that are TOAST - and the bottom of that cover is just discolored.




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