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Old 10-15-2008, 09:22 PM
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im not really sure how the oil pump in an LT1 works. can i just put in a high pressure spring to get the pressure i need?
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well the stock spring is probably good for about 45-50 psi, but you probably still have psi at about 20 at hot idle, if you want to raise the the pressure after then engine is hot a spring probably wont help you too much
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shim it......but use ONE shim.....ONLY ONE



its like the shim preloads the spring, and that in turn, raises oil pressure. or, if you are cheap, just get some thick racing oil.....25w-50 or somthin
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Originally Posted by 1994Z28Lt1
well the stock spring is probably good for about 45-50 psi, but you probably still have psi at about 20 at hot idle, if you want to raise the the pressure after then engine is hot a spring probably wont help you too much
My 80k mile stock internaled LT1 makes 40psi at hot idle with 10-30 mobil 1 full synthetic. 80psi cold idle. It will still make 60 if I get on it while its hot. If its pretty cold and I get on it, it will peg the gauge. We thought that was high but we put a manual gauge on it and it checked out.

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with 5w-30 mobil 1 synthetic my stock internalled 95 z28 made about 60psi at cold idle and about 25 at hot idle. from what i have heard that is what is normal. If you want to increase pressure, put in a high pressure spring, thicker oil, or a high pressure pump.
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Originally Posted by MTBSully
with 5w-30 mobil 1 synthetic my stock internalled 95 z28 made about 60psi at cold idle and about 25 at hot idle. from what i have heard that is what is normal. If you want to increase pressure, put in a high pressure spring, thicker oil, or a high pressure pump.
oh wow!!! what the hell are you running 5 wieght for?? thats crazy
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Originally Posted by jarretthise
oh wow!!! what the hell are you running 5 wieght for?? thats crazy
thats what the cap for the oil fill spot on your passeneger valve cover says to run isnt it? i mean personally i switched to 10w30 just to bring up my oil pressure a few points and it did.
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Originally Posted by 1994Z28Lt1
well the stock spring is probably good for about 45-50 psi, but you probably still have psi at about 20 at hot idle, if you want to raise the the pressure after then engine is hot a spring probably wont help you too much
Is 20 psi hot idle normal? Mine sits at 20 when it's hot, but when cold it's at around 50. Running 10-40 RP.
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Originally Posted by jarretthise
oh wow!!! what the hell are you running 5 wieght for?? thats crazy
becuase thats what it says to run on the oil filler cap, and becuase my car already has perfect oil pressure.

Do most of you guys run 10w 30? I might do that on my next car if you guys think it would be better?
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Originally Posted by MTBSully
becuase thats what it says to run on the oil filler cap, and becuase my car already has perfect oil pressure.

Do most of you guys run 10w 30? I might do that on my next car if you guys think it would be better?
i started running it simply because im in phoenix and the 5w oil is like friggin water down here once its warmed up. thicker is a lil better for me but not too much. brought my oil pressure up like 5 PSI too.
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my cold PSI with 10x-30 is around 50 or so but hot idle is slightly lower then 20 with 152k miles. i think ill be switching to a higher weight oil. even with the winter coming
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Below 20psi would be a small flag but given that it goes back up with slightest blip of a throttle I wouldn't worry to much. I would however want a bare minimum of 40psi under WOT and 30 psi while cruising around...
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Originally Posted by jarretthise
oh wow!!! what the hell are you running 5 wieght for?? thats crazy

What are you basing this statement on.

For those of you looking for actual information his post is completely wrong, based on god knows what but it is not on any valid information.


I think folks need to try and understand how things work.
Here is an informative post on oiling. I would not call it the beall endall discussion on the topic but will teach most of you a lot.

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=506475


One comment I want to specifically add is that if you do things like running thicker oil to jack pressure without ever changing the bypass spring in the pump you are actually reducing flow to the bearings because you are triggering the pump bypass sooner.

Far as MEASURED data a specific 0w-30 is the best oil going for these engines, anyone who thinks 10w-30 is thicker than 0w-30 or 5w-30 needs to stop posting on the subject till they do some research and have some vague clue how this all works.
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ok im not saying i know all about oil but isnt the first number as in 5w30 the 5 mean its a oil rating of the weight at running temp which would mean that at running temp the 10w30 is thicker than the 5w correct? or obviously not if i go by what you just posted? im just a little confused here. . .
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and i just read that post and althought it was very informative it doesnt go along really with what you said. it is stating that yes the 10w30 is thicker and has a higher shear rating than the lower 5w30 but the 5w30 flows better which is better becuase it maintains the layer of oil between the metal contacts of our valve train, so then technically a 10w30 wouldnt be going too high viscosity wise, and he was saying that you only need a HV oil pump if it is higher than 10W30 or thats what it sounds like at least.
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Been awhile since I read the post but posted it more for mechanial function info not the oil info.

The first number is a cold number, the second number is hot number which is what matters. 30wt. is a RANGE not a measurement and for instance Castrol syntec 0w-30 is thicker than Mobil 1 10w-30.

Castrol Syntec is CST 12.0 at 100C and the M1 10w-30 is 10.7CST at 100c

These numbers change a little over time and there could be more up to date info but this is still representative.

I believe the range for being called a 30wt is 10.0-12.9, lower being thinner.

There are guys that know a LOT more than me, but most guys rely solely on advertizing and assumptions/wivestales and I know a bit more than them.

Here is where to get actual lubricant information rather than all the bad info passed around places like this forum. It is going to challenge a lot of what you thought you knew. I do not spend the time over there I once did.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...s.php?ubb=cfrm
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http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052
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^^^ oil info... its worth the read
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I wonder if that is the same Florida Dr. who used to post on the forum I linkd and was trying 5w-20 in his Ferrari that spec'd 10w-60. Guy was using "used oil analysis" to actually measure the results.



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