1lt1wiz

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will our cars run on it and if not what needs to be done to get it to be able to run ............ any help will be thanked

Formula350

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E85? Yea it does. I sadly am forced to living in Minnesota BioDiesel? Not unless you put in a Duramax

1lt1wiz

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do u have to change anything or will it run on the stock fuel system

Formula350

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You don't have to change anything. It's a **** fuel, but I don't have a choice other than $4.75/gal leaded 110. I wouldn't run it if you have any choice. The gas mileage tradeoff isn't worth the few cents you MIGHT save.

buffman

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its going to run worse on e85 unless you have someone tune for it. Fuel system should be up to par, except injectors. Going to need higher rate fuel injectors if you seriously are thinking of running e85 all the time.

Formula350

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I can understand the tune, but why injectors?

Mattsz28

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Injectors becuase for a given volume of E85 you have less enegry potential than for the same given volume of Gasoline. To make the same "power" you need to burn more fuel. Thats the tradeoff in the 2. Bad example, but alcohol cars burn ALOT more fuel than "gasoline" cars. The upside is, higher octane rating . Thats how I understand it anyway.

buffman

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^ Yeah. My friend is running a stockish fleetwood on E85. He's been doing all the tuning. He was logging Duty Cycle of the injectors at over 100% with the stock injectors. He's upgraded to 30lb SVOs and has gotten the DC down.

Formula350

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I just upgraded to the 24# SVO on mine :S How do you check the DC on a 93? (93's run 22# for the few who don't know)

cody161

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is e85 ethanol lol

Formula350

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Assuming that's a question, yes 85% Ethanol. IOW 85% junk

This says that E85 is BETTER than normal fuel, but I personally question that with my previous comment how my friend got progressively worse gas mileage as he got to the great plains states from Oregon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

buffman

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you'd have to have some kind of logging software such as datamaster that's compatible with your car Not sure on the 93s

fuzchunk

ive ran it. pulls harder especillay when nitromethane is added, need to up your fuel pressure or report/reprogram 1 size lower injector add 8 degrees of advance or more to take advantage of the higher 105 octane 20% less mpg 20% more horsepower. tends to dry up rubber parts/fuel pump so I put in 3 quarts of diesel @ fillup. its basicly {less 15% gas to denature it} moonshine, whitelightnig, corn liquer, like the bootlegers or the general lee ran to outrun the cops. hopfully itl get cheaper more avalible when they get more production online. it can also be added to gasolene as an octane booster 3 to 4 gallons @ fillup should not require a retune. smells dam good too

Formula350

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Uhhh....

fuzchunk

being from minisota figured you might be better informed. ethanol has a 40% better power potential than gasolene methanol is even higher but verry corosive. but you need higher compression or boost to yield the power thats why flex fuelers only get 5% more they just ritchen the mix and advance the timing. gas was originally crap left over from making heating oil. so in fact it was garbage that was landfilled. and only later used for fuel. ethinol has been a source of entertainment for thousands of years . top fuel dragsters run alc/nitromethane so this is a proven path to maximum gain. if you have a claim give somthing to back it up http://kww.autobloggreen.com/2007/01...d-viper-i-tho/

Rowdy94

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To put it nicely, ethanol (E85) resists detonation better than gasoline. It has an octane rating of 105. If you run it in a factory stock vehicle, it's pointless, and harmful because you will be maxing out your injectors. However, with a tune to advance timing...aka taking advantage of the higher octane, as well as the injectors to flow enough fuel, you make more power.

fuzchunk

an average car generly gets 7% to %10 with just a tune im runnin 12:1 cr so i can flop back to pump gas 4 road trips 14:1 would make more power but could give that ability up. the problem with e85 is its not junk its corn cane or other food comodities driving thier price up and competing with the dinner table. It is still the best way to get the ball rolling making a market for cellulose "cheap garbage" ethinol. and makes a good fuel for high compression performance applications.

Formula350

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Well if you say it's better, explain why my buddy gets worse gas mileage in Minnesota, than he did on West coast fuel? I'll have to try a pump that is true E85, but I doubt it'll make any noticeable difference. I know how 110 performs in my car, so 105 wouldn't be much different. Also, I have a feeling if it was 105, it'd say 105 on the pump, and I bet it won't.

I actually pulled 2º from my timing on my tune.

litch2004

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So since i have to MSD pro billit distributor with the +/-7 degree timing adjust, would that be enough to be able to take advantage of E85 if i put 24lbs injectors in? Or would i still have to adjust the timing in the computer as well?

Formula350

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I think they mean more than 2# when it comes to "bigger". Since buff's friend went to 30# on his Caddy. I don't know what # they use, but I'm sure it's no less than 24#, and he had to goto 30# to get them to stop working so hard.