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Old 01-12-2009, 08:33 PM
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Default can you guys tell me if this plug looks good

i had a problem as know in my other post of have problems with my n20 working
well it turn out my plugs were to hot, now with colder plugs its working great but can you guys tell me if its safe to run from looking at this plug i just pulled out

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do this plugs look good would it be safe to keep going with this?
this is with the afr at 10.5
i think i would be safe to go to 11.5 now that its working good
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Same as i said before pull at least 2 degree's and pull again cut the threads off and repost.

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yea, im with him, looks like to much timming for sure
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+3 2 more degrees would be a good starting point, better safe than sorry.
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I would add just a little bit of fuel to be safe. I prefer a safe tune instead of running it mean, ie lean.
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Rich is not safe. its the best way to lift ring lands....
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Originally Posted by ShiznityZ28
Rich is not safe. its the best way to lift ring lands....
I dont mean wash the cylinder rich. I mean just a touch richer than what it is now. I have much experience with outlaw 10.5 cars, multiple stages of nitrous and some tru 10.5 fsta cars and know what rich can do. I also know what lean can do and prefer the tune to be slightly richer. So yes, rich can be safe. God bless, Josh
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I can't really see enough of the plug to tell you anything about the fuel. Definitely looks like too much timing though.
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For the novice here, what about the plug says that he has too much timing?
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Color of the ground strap.
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Originally Posted by Cam72aro
I dont mean wash the cylinder rich. I mean just a touch richer than what it is now. I have much experience with outlaw 10.5 cars, multiple stages of nitrous and some tru 10.5 fsta cars and know what rich can do. I also know what lean can do and prefer the tune to be slightly richer. So yes, rich can be safe. God bless, Josh
If you really do have experiance like you say then you will agree most kits have you at 11.3-11.5 wich is already to rich. and more is bad.

Have you burned anything up lean? normally you don't burn up lean you detonate from to much timing and being lean. If the timing is right 13.0 is nothing. But be 13.o with 3 degrees to much and you will hurt it. but 95% of the guys here run to much timing and to much fuel. way to much fuel. To much fuel is not safe. its puddling prone, fouls plugs faster, and will eventually lift ringlands when thye start stepping up.
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this is the area you need to look at for A/F
this is just a little lean
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Originally Posted by ShiznityZ28
If you really do have experiance like you say then you will agree most kits have you at 11.3-11.5 wich is already to rich. and more is bad.

Have you burned anything up lean? normally you don't burn up lean you detonate from to much timing and being lean. If the timing is right 13.0 is nothing. But be 13.o with 3 degrees to much and you will hurt it. but 95% of the guys here run to much timing and to much fuel. way to much fuel. To much fuel is not safe. its puddling prone, fouls plugs faster, and will eventually lift ringlands when thye start stepping up.
I have melted rings land way to lean. On the big inch outlaw motors we never used a wideband. We always tuned by plug color, so I dont know what the AFR was. I also agree that rich will lift rings lands. A happy medium somewhere in the middle is where you want it.
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Agreed. i have used just about every out of the box kit for an fbody and all the 100-150 kits are way to rich. you will actually get a color on the plug and fuel ring near the top of the porcelin. But most people will run to much timing cause they don't adjust there fuel jet. They just set the timing where it runs the best with the given jetting. so they end up burning the fuel because of extra timming not good a/f ratio. When you pull some more timing out and go down 1-2 jets in fuel thease car light up!
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Originally Posted by ShiznityZ28
Agreed. i have used just about every out of the box kit for an fbody and all the 100-150 kits are way to rich. you will actually get a color on the plug and fuel ring near the top of the porcelin. But most people will run to much timing cause they don't adjust there fuel jet. They just set the timing where it runs the best with the given jetting. so they end up burning the fuel because of extra timming not good a/f ratio. When you pull some more timing out and go down 1-2 jets in fuel thease car light up!
I totally agree with you on this. Most out of the box kits are pig rich. So people get scared of pulling some fuel out so they give it more timing.
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Originally Posted by ShiznityZ28
If you really do have experiance like you say then you will agree most kits have you at 11.3-11.5 wich is already to rich. and more is bad.

Have you burned anything up lean? normally you don't burn up lean you detonate from to much timing and being lean. If the timing is right 13.0 is nothing. But be 13.o with 3 degrees to much and you will hurt it. but 95% of the guys here run to much timing and to much fuel. way to much fuel. To much fuel is not safe. its puddling prone, fouls plugs faster, and will eventually lift ringlands when thye start stepping up.
Not everbody know this stuff that's for sure, lol. you should have seen all of the experts at the dyno day shoot out when my a/f was at 13.x:1 everyone was touting oh that's to lean, he's going to blow it up, lol. Walked out with the spray trophy again, with a tiny 200 shot, lol, that put down an extra 230hp. I had my timing down to 14/18° area.

Just a comment and not directed at anyone in particular.
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ona 350 shot we have been at 0 degrees and have 2 cylinders running at 3 degrees after tdc. wanna guess the 2?
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^^^^^i'm new to tuning and nitrous. i got say that this thread is full of good info, if you are looking to run the motor hard and safe. are they 7 and 8 or 7 and 5??
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Originally Posted by 1BADAIR
this is the area you need to look at for A/F
this is just a little lean
where is the ring supposed to be? do you have a good plug picture?
on the strap where should the dis-color be on it? Thanks TC
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if you take the metal casing [ the part where the threads are] off the spark plug, the picture above is what you would see. that is a great picture by the way!!!



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