Originally Posted by Team ZR-1

hptuners is a POS
Of all the tuner packages I have tested its on the bottom of the list.
The GUI is a joke, some tables are bogus, math errors, user docs poor at best.
Its claims to be fast as to flashing was a red herring, its claims not to fry PCMs, false,
the scanner is nothing more then buying the drivers from paul in ausseland
Considering they had LS1edit to benchmark their design on they did a **** poor job.
Funny when it comes out they are part of Superchips and anyone having tuned supercharged cars knows what slug tunes they put out.

The ONLY reason hptuners is known is the kickback supporting vendor fees they pay on a few forums and I hate to tell you once you get off the kiddie forums most people use LS1/2 edit or Tunercat.

A tuner product's user interface has zip to do with good and valid tuning, it does nothing but peek and poke values and in fact products like hptuners make people more uneducated as to proper tuning because they believe those scanner/tune tables really do what they claim rather then learn what each function and table really does.

I constantly see people jump from one tuner product to the next and always blaming the last product as why their tunes sucked when its who is changing the values that makes or breaks the tune and not some pretty GUI.
There are people who use nothing more then a hex editor that do better tuning then the cute looking tuner products.

If you really research this you will see a hugh upswing since hptuners or efilive came out of cars having many more DTCs trip, failing smog tests and problems selling the car due to those problems.

JR
Team ZR-1 http://teamzr1.com/main.html

Originally Posted by Team ZR-1

If your going with Efilive you better be prepared to do indepth testing of it for if you do you'll find all types of bugs and incorrect values.
Its interesting how products designed outside the USA and have no clue as to our SAE/EPA where they cannot even convert metric to english values correctly would be used to hang your hat on in doing correct tuning. Because of this their product has never passed EPA or GM testing

Their chart/graph mode looks like a kid wrote it.

Even Efilive would require 2 cables as you explained your tuning/test methods.

As to data logging efilive is constrained to how many concurrent PIDS can be recorded, does not support all GM enhanced PIDs and is not very fast and be prepared for connection to PCM dropping randomly.

If you really want a true scanner I suggest looking at the GM and EPA approved scanner by Ease that supports OBD-II, VPW and CAN speeds

As to tuning 2 cars if that's all your doing it would be a waste of time paying for 2 tuning interfaces for the fact is after the 1st car has been flashed it really needs a good couple of hours driving to allow the PCM to relearn and adapt so scanning during that time is a waste of time.


JR
Team ZR-1 http://teamzr1.com/main.html

Originally Posted by jub jub

I read a thread where he claimed you never have to touch the VE table on a head and cam car. I knew then that something was wrong with his way of thinking!

Originally Posted by MrDude_1

hey now! that cant be right... i mean, jeff creech tunes H/C cars and doesnt touch the VE table....






(sorry, im just currently getting bashed by JC fans for saying something "unfavorable" about him on a local board... lol)

Originally Posted by MeentSS02

Why do it the right way when you can just take their money and blame it on something else?

Originally Posted by foff667

guaranteed 9 out of 10 Pro tuners don't ever touch the VE tables...every tune ive seen from a pro so far hasnt touched the ve table. Its not that you can't do it that way its about doing it the right way.

Originally Posted by NicD

C'mon now, if they haven't touched the VE table they aren't much of a pro, and working at a tuner shop doesn't instantly qualify you to be one. This is a flawed statement.