5.0 vs ZL1
#41
I agree, but the argument here is power vs handling. It's not like the one of them handles so much better that it's not even a contest. It is that way with power/acceleration, however.
#42
I agree that it doesn't matter who you are, you're going to notice a 100whp difference.
#43
LOTS of people care about handling now... there are a big group of people that auto X and do track days now. This is were the Zl1 and 1LE were built around, plus the props of being a good daily driver to boot. GM said this many times, and they put out what they said, I like doing all kinds of auto racing and think they did a good job with the camaros. Your not going to be a track champion with one, but they perform well at any track and thats what makes it fun car.
#44
i like handling for the main reason... i can race deep into triple digits and know the car isnt going to lose control easily. I can also coast through turns at high rates of speed rather then jack up on my brakes to avoid death. And IF i have to stop, i have 14 inch brembos . But my main interest is straight line speed.
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Part of it is there feeding a bit too much into creature comforts and forgetting about the people who want to strictly go fast. Unfortunately... there sales come from people who want those creature comforts... not the ones who want new race cars.
Till this day.... GM could very easily save the camaro by making a 3500lb version with an N/A ls7 under the hood and 3.73 rear gear. Call it the Z28.... but they wont do that.
Till this day.... GM could very easily save the camaro by making a 3500lb version with an N/A ls7 under the hood and 3.73 rear gear. Call it the Z28.... but they wont do that.
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The GT500 is been showing it can put lap times just as good and better then the ZL1. SO it really don't win any where. And the Gt500 has all the same comforts. You don't have to get the Recaro seats. You can get the regular seats in it. Get nav, sync, fancy lights inside etc. Only thing ZL1 offers is an auto.
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Part of it is there feeding a bit too much into creature comforts and forgetting about the people who want to strictly go fast. Unfortunately... there sales come from people who want those creature comforts... not the ones who want new race cars.
Till this day.... GM could very easily save the camaro by making a 3500lb version with an N/A ls7 under the hood and 3.73 rear gear. Call it the Z28.... but they wont do that.
Till this day.... GM could very easily save the camaro by making a 3500lb version with an N/A ls7 under the hood and 3.73 rear gear. Call it the Z28.... but they wont do that.
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between the gt500 and the boss... the boss is actually the much better handling car. The gt500 just has an extra 200whp to muscle its way around town. If you were to put both cars on an auto x, you would find the boss would be substantially faster. And supposedly the zl1 can out turn the boss... so in the actual handling department, i give it to the zl1 over the gt500
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Because the 1LE is a sick *** car. Probably the best camaro out right now.
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one and strapping a blower on dat bitch. Oh wait. I'd rape a 1LE too.
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one and strapping a blower on dat bitch. Oh wait. I'd rape a 1LE too.
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LOL GM is spending too much time masturbating at the Nurburgring.
I'm all for handling, but a Camaro isn't about handling... its about straight line. Thats what its always been about in my book. The ZL1 owners will soon sound like the import owners of yesteryear with the "I'll take you in the turns" after getting smoked on the straights.
I don't get it. The ZL1 should be faster? The 2nd gen CTS-Vs do better then this. Meh
I'm all for handling, but a Camaro isn't about handling... its about straight line. Thats what its always been about in my book. The ZL1 owners will soon sound like the import owners of yesteryear with the "I'll take you in the turns" after getting smoked on the straights.
I don't get it. The ZL1 should be faster? The 2nd gen CTS-Vs do better then this. Meh
#59
The 1le has stronger axles and a 3.91 gear set, how is that not beefed up? The stock diff is fine in this car, and you cant expect to buy a factory car that needs nothing as far as mods, I mean come on! The 1LE is just what they needed to do with the camaro in the first place, they took care of the weak axles, added some much needed rear gear, better.. lighter.. wider.. wheels and tires, better suspension all for not much more money! So how did that not hit the mark. Its a perfect SS, its what they should have done with the SS right off the start. Allot of people are looking to buy these factory parts to swap on there 10s and 11s for much less then aftermarket. Sounds like a win to me.
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Oh and running that GT500 would have been really stupid since we all know it's not stock
Either way the ZL1 is a great looking car that needs P90X. I look forward to what changes the new chassis will have. I'm still a fan of the newer mustangs and glad we have new life to the rivalry but let's try not to lose perspective.
Last edited by Detoxx03; 08-22-2012 at 01:33 PM.