5.0 vs ZL1
08-22-2012, 01:32 PM
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LOL GM is spending too much time masturbating at the Nurburgring.
I'm all for handling, but a Camaro isn't about handling... its about straight line. Thats what its always been about in my book. The ZL1 owners will soon sound like the import owners of yesteryear with the "I'll take you in the turns" after getting smoked on the straights.
I don't get it. The ZL1 should be faster? The 2nd gen CTS-Vs do better then this. Meh
I'm all for handling, but a Camaro isn't about handling... its about straight line. Thats what its always been about in my book. The ZL1 owners will soon sound like the import owners of yesteryear with the "I'll take you in the turns" after getting smoked on the straights.
I don't get it. The ZL1 should be faster? The 2nd gen CTS-Vs do better then this. Meh
08-22-2012, 01:44 PM
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Camaros and Mustangs are synonymous with drag racing. Just because there's a series with them road coursing doesn't mean thats what they are known for. Thats the reputations they have in the car community, regardless of their roots.
I look at a Camaro and think red light drag races, high horsepower. I don't think carving corners in a mountainside. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone with that one. There are plenty of other platforms GM could have focused for road coursing (ala CTS-V). Not saying the Camaro does BAD at road coursing, since the ZL1 is obviously fast at the Nurburgring... but... there are no nurburgrings at the drag strip, and most people who buy cars in general will end up drag racing them (be it legal or illegal) before they end up on a road course.
I'm not the only person who sees a Camaro or Mustang as a V8 muscle car for drag racing... but its sad when you see a 580hp supercharged car get spanked by a 414hp NA car. Driver mod needed? Yeah, I'm pretty sure of it... but the ZL1 is too heavy for its own good because of trying to make it plush. No one sees Camaro and thinks 'oooo luxury!'
I look at a Camaro and think red light drag races, high horsepower. I don't think carving corners in a mountainside. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone with that one. There are plenty of other platforms GM could have focused for road coursing (ala CTS-V). Not saying the Camaro does BAD at road coursing, since the ZL1 is obviously fast at the Nurburgring... but... there are no nurburgrings at the drag strip, and most people who buy cars in general will end up drag racing them (be it legal or illegal) before they end up on a road course.
I'm not the only person who sees a Camaro or Mustang as a V8 muscle car for drag racing... but its sad when you see a 580hp supercharged car get spanked by a 414hp NA car. Driver mod needed? Yeah, I'm pretty sure of it... but the ZL1 is too heavy for its own good because of trying to make it plush. No one sees Camaro and thinks 'oooo luxury!'
08-22-2012, 02:10 PM
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All i said was basically bring the 
08-22-2012, 02:22 PM
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And if just the power how come we keep seeing them lose to cars making way less power.
08-22-2012, 02:37 PM
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The 1le has stronger axles and a 3.91 gear set, how is that not beefed up? The stock diff is fine in this car, and you cant expect to buy a factory car that needs nothing as far as mods, I mean come on! The 1LE is just what they needed to do with the camaro in the first place, they took care of the weak axles, added some much needed rear gear, better.. lighter.. wider.. wheels and tires, better suspension all for not much more money! So how did that not hit the mark. Its a perfect SS, its what they should have done with the SS right off the start. Allot of people are looking to buy these factory parts to swap on there 10s and 11s for much less then aftermarket. Sounds like a win to me.
08-22-2012, 02:38 PM
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Wow have you done a 180. You used to get into with people who bashed 5th gens when you had one
Nice vid. Zl1 is a disappointment in the straights. Id take one over a Boss or 5.0 any day(of course its more money). Gt500 is a better buy to me. Guy couple streets down just got his with temp tags to go low 12s at 124MPH. Not bad being a terrible driver and in the heat if you ask me
08-22-2012, 02:55 PM
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I just don't get some people, you expect a performance car under 40 grand to be built just how you want it. The stock brakes don't need to be upgraded with the exception of some braided lines, the factory clutch holds up great, and after 2 years and 40k my car is holding up just fine. You guys expect ******* super cars out of mid priced american cars, when they don't run 10s out of the box and have everything you ever wanted it's a piece of ****. LMAO
08-22-2012, 02:59 PM
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Quick Question: How are those new Camaro's selling?
Exactly.
I doubt GM gives two flying ***** what anyone here has to say, as long as their pony car keeps selling like hot cakes. Those guys must be doing something right.
Exactly.
I doubt GM gives two flying ***** what anyone here has to say, as long as their pony car keeps selling like hot cakes. Those guys must be doing something right.
08-22-2012, 03:22 PM
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Wow have you done a 180. You used to get into with people who bashed 5th gens when you had one
Nice vid. Zl1 is a disappointment in the straights. Id take one over a Boss or 5.0 any day(of course its more money). Gt500 is a better buy to me. Guy couple streets down just got his with temp tags to go low 12s at 124MPH. Not bad being a terrible driver and in the heat if you ask me
Nice vid. Zl1 is a disappointment in the straights. Id take one over a Boss or 5.0 any day(of course its more money). Gt500 is a better buy to me. Guy couple streets down just got his with temp tags to go low 12s at 124MPH. Not bad being a terrible driver and in the heat if you ask me
I just don't get some people, you expect a performance car under 40 grand to be built just how you want it. The stock brakes don't need to be upgraded with the exception of some braided lines, the factory clutch holds up great, and after 2 years and 40k my car is holding up just fine. You guys expect ******* super cars out of mid priced american cars, when they don't run 10s out of the box and have everything you ever wanted it's a piece of ****. LMAO
08-22-2012, 03:54 PM
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Yeah, I lived it so I know what pieces of crap GM gave us. I drank the Kool-Aid for a while till I came to my senses.
No, I expect a 40K car to at least hold up to the abuse that my other Camaros took. Read reviews on the 1LE and you will see the biggest complaint is the brakes. Also the ZL1 is 60K car, not 40. My factory clutch had to be replaced at 10K miles, my drive shaft axle and axles seals were replaces too. The axle came out of my pocket after GM told me I broke the car too many times and denied my warranty. And I thought 10 bolts were bad.
No, I expect a 40K car to at least hold up to the abuse that my other Camaros took. Read reviews on the 1LE and you will see the biggest complaint is the brakes. Also the ZL1 is 60K car, not 40. My factory clutch had to be replaced at 10K miles, my drive shaft axle and axles seals were replaces too. The axle came out of my pocket after GM told me I broke the car too many times and denied my warranty. And I thought 10 bolts were bad.
08-22-2012, 03:54 PM
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Not always. One good flying lap don't get it done in the road race world. If they were at the same power levels it would be seconds difference in favor of the ZL. I can also find that 80hp difference easier than you can make the Gt500 handle with the ZL.
08-22-2012, 04:15 PM
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I don't agree with Hio often but this statement is very true and is especially true when comparing these 2 cars.
Every single review I've read about them say the ZL1 is more precise and refined so that it is consistent as opposed to the untamed GT500 (which also gets complaints on braking). In a multi-lap race on most tracks I would put my money on the ZL1 taking the win by a considerable margin. And depending on which version of the GT500 in question, it might not even be capable of running the whole race before overheating different components of the car.
Of course none of it means jack to the people who only care about straight lines. If you don't appreciate corners you're missing out on the real performance of the car IMO. I personally love corners and my car is set up more for them than drag.
Every single review I've read about them say the ZL1 is more precise and refined so that it is consistent as opposed to the untamed GT500 (which also gets complaints on braking). In a multi-lap race on most tracks I would put my money on the ZL1 taking the win by a considerable margin. And depending on which version of the GT500 in question, it might not even be capable of running the whole race before overheating different components of the car.
Of course none of it means jack to the people who only care about straight lines. If you don't appreciate corners you're missing out on the real performance of the car IMO. I personally love corners and my car is set up more for them than drag.
08-22-2012, 05:13 PM
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This is turning into such a gay thread.
A ZL1 WILL MURDER A 5.0.
Stop being ******* gay *** fanboys. Jesus Christ.
(this coming from me, who hates every ******* 5th gen and especially thinks the ZL1 is one big gay *** failure).
A ZL1 WILL MURDER A 5.0.
Stop being ******* gay *** fanboys. Jesus Christ.
(this coming from me, who hates every ******* 5th gen and especially thinks the ZL1 is one big gay *** failure).
08-22-2012, 05:57 PM
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Yes it's a bone stock auto so can't blame driver error with the exception of reaction time. I could be wrong but to me it looked like the 5.0 shut down early as the ZL1 was about to come around him. I've been out there plenty of times and know exactly where the finish line is. Without a finish line view it's hard to really tell. Regardless GM desperately needs to shave weight off of that damn thing. I haven't seen that 5.0 on street tires except the first time he brought it out when it was brand new. You guys know how the word "street tires" is used down here so let's not forget that.
Oh and running that GT500 would have been really stupid since we all know it's not stock
Either way the ZL1 is a great looking car that needs P90X. I look forward to what changes the new chassis will have. I'm still a fan of the newer mustangs and glad we have new life to the rivalry but let's try not to lose perspective.
Oh and running that GT500 would have been really stupid since we all know it's not stock
Either way the ZL1 is a great looking car that needs P90X. I look forward to what changes the new chassis will have. I'm still a fan of the newer mustangs and glad we have new life to the rivalry but let's try not to lose perspective.
I agree with everything you said but what does the GT500 have? Tune, exhaust, and maybe tires. Yea that would have just made the ZL1 get raped with a bigger dick. Stock or not the ZL1 was gettin raped.