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Old 08-22-2012, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I don't need a $13k package to show the gt500 taillights with a ZL.

and the gt500 doesnt need anything to show taillights to a zl1, it already does. nuff said.
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Originally Posted by GotHemi?




691rwhp and with just cai,tune,and throttle body!! no headers or pulley!!!

Then that 704rwhp ZL1 was a freak. Even the shop guys said they typically hit about 650 with that package. The "700" number is BHP.

623 rear wheel horsepower 617 rear wheel lbs ft of torque

Package Includes:
- Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft
- Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of ZL1 LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow
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Package price – $11,245.00

$11k+ to basically get a ZL1 to make STOCK GT500 numbers LMAO
I don't buy packages...I make my own ****.
Originally Posted by usnfenix
i really dont see this man. dont get me wrong i love chevy just as much as ford and my project cars will always be chevys but the zl1 stock for stock is already pretty far behind, i mean look a 5.0 gt just took one out. start modding both the 13'gt500 and the zl1 and if your talking about same mods to both cars its over, gt500 all day. sitting with 100 more hp theres no way the same mods will close that gap for zl1. the only way is if you throw simple bolt ons to the gt500 talking near stock and throw bigger serious power adders to the zl1, but thats like comparing a civic with POS fart can to a f body with a 150 shot and high stall. and no one takes that race seriously. sorry man but some of you hardcore chevy guys need to realize that GM isnt the sole producer of "fast" cars. that theres more than just the camaro out there and it certainly isnt king anymore.
There is something you guys are not thinking of once full builds start on these car. The Ford can't get to 400+ cubic inches. That alone with the blower to feed it and it's over for the gt500. The first mod for the zl should be a bigger blower. The ZL has more room to grow. The gt500 has 5psi more boost from the factory, 5psi more on the ZL closes the gap big time. Keep in mind all these mods would/should be done with pump gas in mind, that's what most of us run.
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I read about ur car on the internet. Guess thats bullshit too...
Maybe so ....
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Originally Posted by usnfenix
and the gt500 doesnt need anything to show taillights to a zl1, it already does. nuff said.
That's great if you leave them stock.....if not you won't have enuff.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That's great if you leave them stock.....if not you won't have enuff.
Zl1 is way out classed. rivles your car in trap speed bone stock.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I don't buy packages...I make my own ****.

There is something you guys are not thinking of once full builds start on these car. The Ford can't get to 400+ cubic inches. That alone with the blower to feed it and it's over for the gt500. :
Ok throw out price. You throw on those exact mods yourself and youre not gonna magically make more power. Maybe 30hp +/- depending on dyno. All that **** just to make near STOCK GT500 power?

Yet you can throw a tune,tb, and cai on the GT500 and make almost 700rwhp??

Its no comaprison.

Im pretty sure there are PLENTY of 5.xL mod motors out there that make a **** TON more power than a lot of big ci LSX's. Correct me if im wrong but isnt it a Ford GT that holds the standing mile record?

Im not saying that they do make more than a lsx but i am saying they can make as much.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
Zl1 is way out classed. rivles your car in trap speed bone stock.
Exactly. Hio, what would you do to a ZL1 stock from a roll?? Hmmm....
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
Zl1 is way out classed. rivles your car in trap speed bone stock.
And it should with 257 more hp than my engine was rated at. Think about that....and it(gt500) weighs 800lb more. As far as I'm concerned it's still under performing for the power it has.
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Originally Posted by GotHemi?
Exactly. Hio, what would you do to a ZL1 stock from a roll?? Hmmm....
It would rape it. But if I had the ZL for a while those tables would turn quickly. My buddy's 12 Camaro SS ran a 12.9@111. I don't know why the Zl's are not performing better. The Cts-v's get to the 10's pretty easy. There is no reason Why the ZL should'nt do the same.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
It would rape it..
Thanks thats all i needed to hear.

But i do agree with almost everything else u said. Ive been saying for a while that something is up with these cars. GM has yet to say what that mysterious QC hold was about.
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[QUOTE=HioSSilver;16649470]And it should with 257 more hp than my engine was rated at. Think about that....and it(gt500) weighs 800lb
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Not always. One good flying lap don't get it done in the road race world. If they were at the same power levels it would be seconds difference in favor of the ZL. I can also find that 80hp difference easier than you can make the Gt500 handle with the ZL.
Some of you need to put the magazines down, real world here in 3...2...1....





Some others might want to check the sales too, the Mustang took that over back in April or May and hasn't looked back
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That's great if you leave them stock.....if not you won't have enuff.
Are you a closet homosexual too? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Now for speculation.....let's say I take my 2012 bolt-on 5.0 (stock long block):

....and add a 2.3 TVS onto it (which is sitting in the garage waiting to go on), how bad do you think I am going to spank the ZL1 and the GT500?

I can't wait to line up against either at the track.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
(gt500) weighs 800lb more. As far as I'm concerned it's still under performing for the power it has.
and so is the gt500. all the new mustangs are underrated. factory tune is conservative and garbage. take the 11-13 5.0, with a tune and x pipe and radials these cars are hitting high 11's. now take the gt500 with same mods and tune. sorry man but the zl1 is way outdone and some people need to wake up and realize that. ford finally outdid chevy omg i know its a shocker lets get over it. the zl1 was built for a ROAD course, auto x and such. GM spent so much on the ZR1 corvette and the new c7 turd that they had much less money than anticipated for the zl1 project. so it got downgraded. its over man, the ss was the king back in the day and was putting the hurt on the mustang but now roles have reversed once again. not to say it will stay like this forever but its fords time again. not to mention GM is headed for another bailout here pretty soon, another reason why there cars are slacking lately. and if you are in denial about the 13' gt500 wait untill the body and motor changes again here in a year and ford puts even more power into their gt500.

in the end it should come down to just this:
they are both nice cars, if your road race and auto X, buy a zl1, cant go wrong.

if you drag race and street race, buy a gt500, youll never look back (at the zl1 in your mirror.)
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Originally Posted by wbt
Are you a closet homosexual too? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Now for speculation.....let's say I take my 2012 bolt-on 5.0 (stock long block):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdM2fQ4UKvU

....and add a 2.3 TVS onto it (which is sitting in the garage waiting to go on), how bad do you think I am going to spank the ZL1 and the GT500?

I can't wait to line up against either at the track.
So is this your car.....or are you talking out your *** like ohio did with his bolt-on 5.0?
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I'm sorry. I like ZL1s and all, but they're a pile of dogshit next to a GT500. But the GT500is a pile of dogshit next to a ZR1 (albeit 60k less) so it's ok.
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Originally Posted by wbt
Are you a closet homosexual too? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Now for speculation.....let's say I take my 2012 bolt-on 5.0 (stock long block):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdM2fQ4UKvU

....and add a 2.3 TVS onto it (which is sitting in the garage waiting to go on), how bad do you think I am going to spank the ZL1 and the GT500?

I can't wait to line up against either at the track.


Love the words at the end!!! Bad *** pass!!! Not bad for a litto 5.0.

What are ya mods???
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Originally Posted by why87
I'm sorry. I like ZL1s and all, but they're a pile of dogshit next to a GT500. But the GT500is a pile of dogshit next to a ZR1 (albeit 60k less) so it's ok.
EXACTLY

theres always something faster and in this case it happens to be the gt500. some people just dont quite understand the camaro is not at the top of every automotive food chain. other cars do exist....
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Originally Posted by usnfenix
and so is the gt500. all the new mustangs are underrated. factory tune is conservative and garbage. take the 11-13 5.0, with a tune and x pipe and radials these cars are hitting high 11's. now take the gt500 with same mods and tune. sorry man but the zl1 is way outdone and some people need to wake up and realize that. ford finally outdid chevy omg i know its a shocker lets get over it. the zl1 was built for a ROAD course, auto x and such. GM spent so much on the ZR1 corvette and the new c7 turd that they had much less money than anticipated for the zl1 project. so it got downgraded. its over man, the ss was the king back in the day and was putting the hurt on the mustang but now roles have reversed once again. not to say it will stay like this forever but its fords time again. not to mention GM is headed for another bailout here pretty soon, another reason why there cars are slacking lately. and if you are in denial about the 13' gt500 wait untill the body and motor changes again here in a year and ford puts even more power into their gt500.

in the end it should come down to just this:
they are both nice cars, if your road race and auto X, buy a zl1, cant go wrong.

if you drag race and street race, buy a gt500, youll never look back (at the zl1 in your mirror.)
I think Ford has done a great job recently with alot of their cars. But if I'm gonna buy one of these 2 as a toy to mod. I can guarantee you mine will out perform a GT500. Both cars are fast, the Gt500 is faster. But the ls platform has more room to grow and a better chassis to do it in.
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its sad theirs alot of bad drivers out their in the youtube world,people see outcomes of races and think very diffrently to the facts. fact is ford sucks
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Originally Posted by 1_MEANZ28
its sad theirs alot of bad drivers out their in the youtube world,people see outcomes of races and think very diffrently to the facts. fact is ford sucks
so every zl1 that has lost to a gt500 is because of a bad driver? nothing to do with the 100 more hp? sounds like ricer excuses to me...


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