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Old 08-26-2012, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 2SSARME
What does Ford have to run against the vette?
Depends on the vette... zr1..nothing. But that car also costs double the money. Be pretty badass to see them bring back the GT with the same powerplant.

SS = 5.0 GT
Zl1/c6 = Boss 302
Z06 = Gt500
ZR1 = Nothing yet.

Id still take a Z06 over any of them.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That would you. It's a given the gt500 outruns it in a straight line. Ford did a good job. It and the new 5.0 are the only cars they've ever made that actually performs well.

The older SHOs,Ford GT,SVT Contout and a tons more performed real well...
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That would you. It's a given the gt500 outruns it in a straight line. Ford did a good job. It and the new 5.0 are the only cars they've ever made that actually performs well.
03/04 Cobra has made its mark in history.
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
The older SHOs,Ford GT,SVT Contout and a tons more performed real well...
Older sho's were poop. I don't even consider cars that cost $175k like the GT....although I would love to have one of those and swap a ls in it. Contours were a joke fwd car with only little better performance than a normal Contour, which was'nt great.
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03/04 Cobra has made its mark in history.
Over rated imo. Motors tend to be very finicky and the chassis was not very stiff.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Older sho's were poop. I don't even consider cars that cost $175k like the GT....although I would love to have one of those and swap a ls in it. Contours were a joke fwd car with only little better performance than a normal Contour, which was'nt great.


Over rated imo. Motors tend to be very finicky and the chassis was not very stiff.
Motors were one of the strongest motors ever produced. But there were too many idiots out there who took it for granted and were garbage with tuning/setups. The most hack setups ive ever seen... were on them. While i agree the chasis of the car could have been better designed... still were no joke. Should have come out of the factory with solid axles and texid blocks... shave an easy 200lbs.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Older sho's were poop. I don't even consider cars that cost $175k like the GT....although I would love to have one of those and swap a ls in it. Contours were a joke fwd car with only little better performance than a normal Contour, which was'nt great.


Over rated imo. Motors tend to be very finicky and the chassis was not very stiff.
I agree those chassis take a good amount to make stiff. It's like they threw 400hp and 4 wheels on a big slice of pizza. I'd still own one though.
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Gt500 vs z06?

Cmon lol.
The GT500 can hardly handle the ZL1 on the road course. Z06 is a much better all around car than the GT500. They don't compare.
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Originally Posted by 2SSARME
Gt500 vs z06?

Cmon lol.
The GT500 can hardly handle the ZL1 on the road course. Z06 is a much better all around car than the GT500. They don't compare.
Im referring to straight line... which in reality... is all i could give 2 ***** about.
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Then why did you buy a boss?
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Originally Posted by 2SSARME
Then why did you buy a boss?
for the 15k motor it comes with...Theres no option to get it in a gt.

Coyote crate motor - 8k

Boss crate motor - 15k.

I also like the lighter weight and featurelessness of the car. Its all performance, no creature comforts. Something Chevy should do...

You also get a painted solid axle... first ive EVER seen. Most times there covered in rust
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Originally Posted by evangto87
for the 15k motor it comes with...Theres no option to get it in a gt.

Coyote crate motor - 8k

Boss crate motor - 15k.

I also like the lighter weight and featurelessness of the car. Its all performance, no creature comforts. Something Chevy should do...

You also get a painted solid axle... first ive EVER seen. Most times there covered in rust
You can get the boss engine for 11k through a bunch of places. And the GT for a right around 6. And can get either aluminator engine for 6800. Call Tousley Ford.
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Originally Posted by evangto87
Depends on the vette... zr1..nothing. But that car also costs double the money. Be pretty badass to see them bring back the GT with the same powerplant.

SS = 5.0 GT
Zl1/c6 = Boss 302
Z06 = Gt500
ZR1 = Nothing yet.

Id still take a Z06 over any of them.
What about the Ford GT40 I would say that's comparable to the ZR1 in both price and performance
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Originally Posted by evangto87
Motors were one of the strongest motors ever produced. But there were too many idiots out there who took it for granted and were garbage with tuning/setups. The most hack setups ive ever seen... were on them. While i agree the chasis of the car could have been better designed... still were no joke. Should have come out of the factory with solid axles and texid blocks... shave an easy 200lbs.
Motors not strong at all. My termi crank was bent .014. It just got done at the machine shop. One of the most over rated heaps I've ever seen. Needs a cooling mod when new, can't do 5th gear pulls and don't stay together well....more myth than legend. Alot of guys would've liked a SA but thought the IRS was cool, and apparently the alot of Mach guys do too. It seems if a car don't come with irs they want it, if it does come with irs they don't want it. Any one else notice this?
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Originally Posted by BottleMach
What about the Ford GT40 I would say that's comparable to the ZR1 in both price and performance
It's not comparable in performance at all to the zr1. It gets it's *** handed to it by the bushel and was $50k more. Closer in performance to a zo6.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
You can get the boss engine for 11k through a bunch of places. And the GT for a right around 6. And can get either aluminator engine for 6800. Call Tousley Ford.
I almost went with a aluminator for my notch. But from the research I did it did not look like they were very reliable.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
It's not comparable in performance at all to the zr1. It gets it's *** handed to it by the bushel and was $50k more. Closer in performance to a zo6.
Gt40 is also like 5yrs older than a zr1. Not even comparable when it comes to comparing the exotic qualities of a gt40.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I almost went with a aluminator for my notch. But from the research I did it did not look like they were very reliable.
Not reliable? Really. Plenty guys running them well into the 9's for over a year now. This car now has a f1 and has gone low 9's.

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the zl1 needs work. looks like the 1le will be a better buy
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Originally Posted by willizm
^I could give a crap less about either car. Hell I'd probably buy the gt500 over the zl1 just because I like it a little better. All I'm saying is the zl1 ain't that bad considering it's down 100hp. Dissect what you want but I could give a **** less really. Alot of slow cars in here seem to talk the most **** eh?
For a car that weighs close to what the cts-v does it isnt underperforming at all. In good hands it can turn a low 12/high 11 and it costs less than the gt500 when you get them with all their performance options added.

The gt500 is a beast of a car, but for all its power it really isnt a 1/4 beast nor is it out handling the heavier Zl1 around road courses.

12.1@117 is far from slow for a stock vehicle on an air strip. I didnt know when we all became z06 owners and could look down upon a f body that turns that time stock.


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