2008 E85 STI vs me n/a
08-08-2013, 09:03 PM
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2008 E85 STI vs me n/a Okay, I had my first run tonight with my new setup (see sig) with me running n/a against a 2008 STI running 27 psi on E85. He has a mail order tune so no dyno numbers, but said it should be around 420 rwhp he thinks. Does that sound right? I know nothing about those cars lol. Anyways, he honks it off from a 2nd gear roll, and when I shut down around the middle of 4th or so I had a solid 2 car lead, and was still pulling. He's a pretty cool guy from the gym, and really wanted to run me, so we both knew it was bound to happen sooner or later lol 
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Okay, I had my first run tonight with my new setup (see sig) with me running n/a against a 2008 STI running 27 psi on E85. He has a mail order tune so no dyno numbers, but said it should be around 420 rwhp he thinks. Does that sound right? I know nothing about those cars lol. Anyways, he honks it off from a 2nd gear roll, and when I shut down around the middle of 4th or so I had a solid 2 car lead, and was still pulling. He's a pretty cool guy from the gym, and really wanted to run me, so we both knew it was bound to happen sooner or later lol
not to question what you know about the STi you ran, but i highly doubt his at 27psi specially on a mail order tune, and his not making 420whp considering how aggressive the tuning needs to be able get close to that number, no way a mail in order tune can give, unless the owner of the STi or tuner gives no **** about blowing up a car
but they can run low to mid 11s tho huh? right
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On race gas? On alcohol injection?
maybe high 11s with a 112 trap or something along those lines.
No offense, but from what I've seen, they're normally mid 300whp, 22psi or so and no higher unless they plan on breaking something. Of course you can go more if you inject it, raise boost, up timing into the 30* mark and what not... but from what we've seen on here and in person... No.
Do you think the STI in the first post was making 420whp on a mail order tune? Sure, you can make 420whp in the car on stock turbo... The question is... can you do it safely and reliably? If you up boost to 27psi i'm sure you're overheating the stock turbo by then, and its being less efficient on that note.
maybe high 11s with a 112 trap or something along those lines.
No offense, but from what I've seen, they're normally mid 300whp, 22psi or so and no higher unless they plan on breaking something. Of course you can go more if you inject it, raise boost, up timing into the 30* mark and what not... but from what we've seen on here and in person... No.
Do you think the STI in the first post was making 420whp on a mail order tune? Sure, you can make 420whp in the car on stock turbo... The question is... can you do it safely and reliably? If you up boost to 27psi i'm sure you're overheating the stock turbo by then, and its being less efficient on that note.
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On race gas? On alcohol injection?
maybe high 11s with a 112 trap or something along those lines.
No offense, but from what I've seen, they're normally mid 300whp, 22psi or so and no higher unless they plan on breaking something. Of course you can go more if you inject it, raise boost, up timing into the 30* mark and what not... but from what we've seen on here and in person... No.
Do you think the STI in the first post was making 420whp on a mail order tune? Sure, you can make 420whp in the car on stock turbo... The question is... can you do it safely and reliably? If you up boost to 27psi i'm sure you're overheating the stock turbo by then, and its being less efficient on that note.
maybe high 11s with a 112 trap or something along those lines.
No offense, but from what I've seen, they're normally mid 300whp, 22psi or so and no higher unless they plan on breaking something. Of course you can go more if you inject it, raise boost, up timing into the 30* mark and what not... but from what we've seen on here and in person... No.
Do you think the STI in the first post was making 420whp on a mail order tune? Sure, you can make 420whp in the car on stock turbo... The question is... can you do it safely and reliably? If you up boost to 27psi i'm sure you're overheating the stock turbo by then, and its being less efficient on that note.
look at my sig to get a lil bit of info, did it both on e85 and vp109 race gas, from early 2006 to late 2009 street racing the hell out of the car almost every night
the key word is " normally "
im replying to two other guys that claimed it cant be done
over heat the stock turbo? do you have extensive experience with this? i pushed my stock turbo as high as 29psi and it still continue to make power and tons of more torque with no sign of heat soaking or " over heating " the turbo, even tho on flowchart data the stock turbo is supposedly out of breath by 18psi hahahaha
for many years, almost every shop that tunes Subarus uses a very low reading AWD dynos, but lately alot of shop has been switching to the high reading dynos for better advertisement
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look at my sig to get a lil bit of info, did it both on e85 and vp109 race gas, from early 2006 to late 2009 street racing the hell out of the car almost every night
the key word is " normally "
im replying to two other guys that claimed it cant be done
over heat the stock turbo? do you have extensive experience with this? i pushed my stock turbo as high as 29psi and it still continue to make power and tons of more torque with no sign of heat soaking or " over heating " the turbo, even tho on flowchart data the stock turbo is supposedly out of breath by 18psi hahahaha
for many years, almost every shop that tunes Subarus uses a very low reading AWD dynos, but lately alot of shop has been switching to the high reading dynos for better advertisement
the key word is " normally "
im replying to two other guys that claimed it cant be done
over heat the stock turbo? do you have extensive experience with this? i pushed my stock turbo as high as 29psi and it still continue to make power and tons of more torque with no sign of heat soaking or " over heating " the turbo, even tho on flowchart data the stock turbo is supposedly out of breath by 18psi hahahaha
for many years, almost every shop that tunes Subarus uses a very low reading AWD dynos, but lately alot of shop has been switching to the high reading dynos for better advertisement
What all is involved for that 'stock turbo world record'? Is it the norm? Is it easily repeatable for anybody to say 'hey, guess what... time to change my sig. world record worthy right here'
I'm just trying to grasp this. People here can say they wouldn't expect 400whp on a stock turbo, and they'd be right for the most part. They'd probably be right for 80-90% of the ones they'd encounter or more if they were on stock turbo.
Even you don't think the STi OP ran into was making 420whp... it shows how difficult it must be to get there. Can it be done? On E85, or race gas with meth \ alky injection?
So because STis are using Mustang Dynos or loaded dynos that are dropping the numbers, the numbers aren't legit? They aren't comparable to other vehicles on the same dyno \ same temps, etc? Are you saying we can expect 400whp stis because now they are using higher reading dynos? So there's going to be a surge of 400+whp stis soon?
400whp+ out of a stock STI is less then 10% of 'max' stock turbo setups, IMO.
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For those of you who can't see my sig, hopefully this cut and paste will show it. I'm just telling you what STI owner told me here guys. I'm gonna get more exact details when I see him next
For those of you who can't see my sig, hopefully this cut and paste will show it. I'm just telling you what STI owner told me here guys. I'm gonna get more exact details when I see him next
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You knew damn well when I said 'overheating' the turbo, I meant heat soak, making it less efficient. I even stated it'd make it less efficient. No, I don't have extensive experience with subarus nor would I care to. Everything I've said still doesn't change.
What all is involved for that 'stock turbo world record'? Is it the norm? Is it easily repeatable for anybody to say 'hey, guess what... time to change my sig. world record worthy right here'
I'm just trying to grasp this. People here can say they wouldn't expect 400whp on a stock turbo, and they'd be right for the most part. They'd probably be right for 80-90% of the ones they'd encounter or more if they were on stock turbo.
Even you don't think the STi OP ran into was making 420whp... it shows how difficult it must be to get there. Can it be done? On E85, or race gas with meth \ alky injection?
So because STis are using Mustang Dynos or loaded dynos that are dropping the numbers, the numbers aren't legit? They aren't comparable to other vehicles on the same dyno \ same temps, etc? Are you saying we can expect 400whp stis because now they are using higher reading dynos? So there's going to be a surge of 400+whp stis soon?
400whp+ out of a stock STI is less then 10% of 'max' stock turbo setups, IMO.
What all is involved for that 'stock turbo world record'? Is it the norm? Is it easily repeatable for anybody to say 'hey, guess what... time to change my sig. world record worthy right here'
I'm just trying to grasp this. People here can say they wouldn't expect 400whp on a stock turbo, and they'd be right for the most part. They'd probably be right for 80-90% of the ones they'd encounter or more if they were on stock turbo.
Even you don't think the STi OP ran into was making 420whp... it shows how difficult it must be to get there. Can it be done? On E85, or race gas with meth \ alky injection?
So because STis are using Mustang Dynos or loaded dynos that are dropping the numbers, the numbers aren't legit? They aren't comparable to other vehicles on the same dyno \ same temps, etc? Are you saying we can expect 400whp stis because now they are using higher reading dynos? So there's going to be a surge of 400+whp stis soon?
400whp+ out of a stock STI is less then 10% of 'max' stock turbo setups, IMO.
just your typical bolt ons: a well set up full exhaust, well set up full intake on racegas/e85 and a really badass tune can get you there, and of course its not the norm, when did i exactly say it was? of course its not easy, its actually quite rare, but the point is it can be done and those two guys that made the claim are wrong, i dont know why you keep bring up the norm
heres a good video how stupid dyno numbers can be
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i understand what both of you guys are saying. but i do also believe that the 420awhp number is extremely hard to reach with just e85 and a mail order tune. you said it yourself, that you have a "badass" dyno tune. which the sti that raced did not. seems like a bit of an "apples to oranges" comparison.
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i understand what both of you guys are saying. but i do also believe that the 420awhp number is extremely hard to reach with just e85 and a mail order tune. you said it yourself, that you have a "badass" dyno tune. which the sti that raced did not. seems like a bit of an "apples to oranges" comparison.
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Some quick searching I found most people are maxing out around the high 300's WTQ with full bolt ons, E85, and real tunes, a couple a hair over 400, but not WHP.
So I doubt a mail order tune is going to do that. It might be what they advertise to the crank.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1729586
And when the turbo stops holding boost up top, its out of efficiency range.
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Yes, were are all aware dyno numbers dont mean everything, but substantial claims require substantial evidence.
Some quick searching I found most people are maxing out around the high 300's WTQ with full bolt ons, E85, and real tunes, a couple a hair over 400, but not WHP.
So I doubt a mail order tune is going to do that. It might be what they advertise to the crank.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1729586
And when the turbo stops holding boost up top, its out of efficiency range.
Some quick searching I found most people are maxing out around the high 300's WTQ with full bolt ons, E85, and real tunes, a couple a hair over 400, but not WHP.
So I doubt a mail order tune is going to do that. It might be what they advertise to the crank.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1729586
And when the turbo stops holding boost up top, its out of efficiency range.
for the sake of dyno numbers, low reading AWD mustang/dynoDynamic dyno when converted to average 2WD dynojet/dynapack its often 15-20% difference, since you did some research im guessing you know which dyno is used on subaru platform
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08-09-2013, 07:52 AM
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Now I'll wait for your typical rebuttal and video posting of fast STi's but the fact is nobody cares.
Also as far as running 11's on the stock turbo, thats great but what did it trap? 112?
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Real world, you don't see many Subarus wrecking havoc with minimal mods. At the end of the day, we dont know anything really about this car
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You have an STi and you know a lot about them and thats great and I get you are trying to inform people of what they are capable of but its not anywhere near the norm and you know it. Last year at Byron during the subaru shootout the fastest car in the 2.0 unlimited class ran 12.2. Most of the time subarus are a big joke with super bro owners. 90% of them are "stage 2 bro" and make 300whp and trap 108 and get plowed by everything on the street.
Now I'll wait for your typical rebuttal and video posting of fast STi's but the fact is nobody cares.
Also as far as running 11's on the stock turbo, thats great but what did it trap? 112?
Now I'll wait for your typical rebuttal and video posting of fast STi's but the fact is nobody cares.
Also as far as running 11's on the stock turbo, thats great but what did it trap? 112?
you should read your own post #3, i am mainly correcting your misinformed claims
112? yea maybe 19psi on 91 cali **** pump gas hahaha
heres a beloved GTO making 460whp trapping as high as 121 running high 11s
http://www.streetfire.net/video/bayarearacingorg-gto-vs-sti_120200.htm
oh wait heres a stockish GTR
Ok posting videos of your car, "Record breaking stock turbo car", and comparing it to someone with a mail order tune. totally relevant.
Real world, you don't see many Subarus wrecking havoc with minimal mods. At the end of the day, we dont know anything really about this car
Real world, you don't see many Subarus wrecking havoc with minimal mods. At the end of the day, we dont know anything really about this car
im not trying to argue what is the norm or not, you and v8eater claimed something wrong and im here to correct both of you and yes it can be done, thats a fact
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