Will extra weight in front/back throw off handling?
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Will extra weight in front/back throw off handling?
I was thinking about getting a balanced set of sway bars & bilstein shocks for nice handling. Im staying stock ride height. If in the future I add 100lbs to the front of the car with an iron block 408, or I upgrade my stock rear to a heavier 9", Will that throw off the balanced swaybar effect, or make the car handle differently?
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like above, the engine is sprung wieght (controled by the springs of the front suspension) but the 9-inch is unsprung which makes it very difficult for the suspension to control. The 9-inch is going to hurt way more than the iron block. for what its worth, it shouldnt hurt handling (unless your road racing over lousey pavement) as much as ride quality.
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something with an ironblock and 9" seems less conducive to handling than a aluminum block and little 10 bolt. for handling, wouldnt you want to make the car lighter... not heavier?
and if you are going to beef the car up like that, it seems like you're simply going for high hp (iron block for strength) and hard launches (9" for strength).
you'll have to pick a set up, or you'll just be lukewarm at both.
and if you are going to beef the car up like that, it seems like you're simply going for high hp (iron block for strength) and hard launches (9" for strength).
you'll have to pick a set up, or you'll just be lukewarm at both.
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something with an ironblock and 9" seems less conducive to handling than a aluminum block and little 10 bolt. for handling, wouldnt you want to make the car lighter... not heavier?
and if you are going to beef the car up like that, it seems like you're simply going for high hp (iron block for strength) and hard launches (9" for strength).
you'll have to pick a set up, or you'll just be lukewarm at both.
and if you are going to beef the car up like that, it seems like you're simply going for high hp (iron block for strength) and hard launches (9" for strength).
you'll have to pick a set up, or you'll just be lukewarm at both.
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Less weight is always better... But think about some things for a minute:
LT1 cars are iron blocked, they don't weight 100 pounds more than LS1 cars. In fact last time I weighed almost identically optioned cars back to back a '95 was 6 lbs. less than my '01.....
Rear axle. Unsprung weight. Bars and springs have no effect on, or effect from the axle weight. The mass is not good as the response is more harsh and the car is a little more clumsy feeling kind of like you in combat boots. The trick there is make sure you run shocks that can deal with the added unsprung weight (sufficient compression damping).
LT1 cars are iron blocked, they don't weight 100 pounds more than LS1 cars. In fact last time I weighed almost identically optioned cars back to back a '95 was 6 lbs. less than my '01.....
Rear axle. Unsprung weight. Bars and springs have no effect on, or effect from the axle weight. The mass is not good as the response is more harsh and the car is a little more clumsy feeling kind of like you in combat boots. The trick there is make sure you run shocks that can deal with the added unsprung weight (sufficient compression damping).
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Sure, but my point was the iron block really doesn't matter that much (consider the front of the car is over 2000 pounds already) and I don't believe that you'd actually add 100 pounds. And the rear axle is not effected by, or have an effect on what bar you run.
So yes, I'm saying a set of bars you think it balanced will still be well balanced regardless of what axle or block you run.
So yes, I'm saying a set of bars you think it balanced will still be well balanced regardless of what axle or block you run.
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Thanks sam. I was on your site & I was looking at your virson the bilstein shocks. What exactly was done to them & what shocks you recommend for stock springs & ride height?
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My version of the Bilstein's is the fact I use a different rear shock than what everyone else does. About 2-3 years ago Bilstein changed their rear valving to something that is more similar the deCarbon valving. More compression and less rebound... just what I don't feel the car needs. I have no idea why they did this, but I won't use that shock. So I use an older, and I believe better valving that has more rebound and less compression damping than the current spec HD rear that everyone else sells.
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Sure, but my point was the iron block really doesn't matter that much (consider the front of the car is over 2000 pounds already) and I don't believe that you'd actually add 100 pounds. And the rear axle is not effected by, or have an effect on what bar you run.
So yes, I'm saying a set of bars you think it balanced will still be well balanced regardless of what axle or block you run.
So yes, I'm saying a set of bars you think it balanced will still be well balanced regardless of what axle or block you run.
The M9 is less weight than a 9 inch but because of the change in angle it also creates more parasitic power loss.
If you want something that is a super sharp handling car why did you buy an F-body?
Anyway with that said I am going to step up to the Koni's and Strano springs.
I cannot stand the Eibachs and KYB's I have now.
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Hey man... I'm just telling you that two equally optioned cars, one a '95 LT1 and one an '01 LS1 both with full tanks, the same wheels, tires, shocks, swaybars, 10-bolts, and 6-speeds were basically identical on the scales. An LT1 is iron blocked, and what's more has a metal gas tank vs. my car's plastic one (albeit one gallon bigger in capacity).
Are all iron blocks going to weight what an LT1 block does? No, and a deeper skirt LS block would weigh somewhat more. But I'm not sure how you add 100 pounds over a iron LT1 block without working really hard.
Are all iron blocks going to weight what an LT1 block does? No, and a deeper skirt LS block would weigh somewhat more. But I'm not sure how you add 100 pounds over a iron LT1 block without working really hard.
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