thatguy91

Was wondering what the market value for a 2002 camaro ss with 85k Mikes m6 t tops any input will be greatly appreciated

Crf450r420

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www.kbb.com
www.nada.com

thatguy91

I tried those sites but they don't give an accurate appraisal. I just want to know how much they go for I'm in the market of 1 and I got my eyes on 1 and slp has a birth certificate for it

Firebrian

The price guides aren't terribly off at 85K miles. But they don't give any additional value for an M6, so add $1,000 for that. The mileage premium might be a tad light so figure maybe another $500 for that. So they could be $1,500 low.

If it's an exceptionally clean 85K miles and a perfectly operating M6 + drive train, it could be as high as $10K. But there aren't many people that will fork over $10K for 85K miles, even on an M6 SS. Expect the owner to be asking strong money. You might have to look at 10 cars to find 1-2 reasonably priced. Range would probably be $7,000-$10,000 from somewhat beat to exceptional for the mileage. $8000-$9000 might be typical. The price guides have my sig line car with 17K miles at under $9K which is 30-40% low.

NC01TA

That's just insane and a real disservice to any true car people. I'll take a half dozen of those please at that price. I wish. Why do they post prices like that? Hard to figure. It's their business to know better.
I certainly do agree that for an 85k miles car the price guides will be very close. As usual, a fine one owner garage kept example will fetch more, and deservedly so.

tallkewlone

paid 12k for a 2002 ss SLP dual/dual with t tops leather,auburn diff, auto and 26k miles garage kept , 3 months ago, i had shopped for 6 months before I found the one this nice ,,others were as nice but more money..

thatguy91

Damn that's a pretty good deal too bad it's and automatic

tallkewlone

i have been driving trucks for the last 30 years,, done all the shifting I ever need to do

Firebrian

You found that 1 out of 20 (or 1 out of 100) car before the next guy did. You can thank the price guides for your fortunate purchase as you got that car probably a minimum of $2500 too cheap. Had you waited even a couple of days it likely would have been gone if advertised outside your local region.

The price guides don't give adequate value for low mileage Camaro's and nothing for important features like M6/dual-dual/blackwing/and other important SLP additions. But, just because you did it, doesn't mean the next 19 guys will be so lucky. They might have to wait years to pick off a car like that. I've kept an eye out in my region for the past 5 years and have only seen 1 or 2 primo F bodies slip under the radar for a great price.

Fwiw, your 2002 SS w/26K miles has an NADA "clean retail" of $11,925. So I guess the seller actually thought they were getting "top dollar." It's clear they didn't look at what other similar cars are selling for. Per NADA there is only $2,775 difference between your car with 165,000 miles or 26,000.....completely crazy....$200 per every 10K miles....or 2c per mile. And even worse, the nice SLP option package on your 2002 SS was probably worth an extra premium of $500-$1,000 to the price guide. Early bird gets the worm. Typically, most owners of these cars with real low mileage know what they're worth. Occasionally you can find one that was from an estate sale, inherited, or even a dealer who knows nothing about them and just looks at the "book."

The maximum premium NADA will give for low miles on a 2002 SS is $3,175. That's basically saying that the difference between an essentially brand new condition car (99 miles) and a pretty much worn out one (165K miles) are only $3K difference in price. You can't go to your local car dealers and buy a 99 mile car for $3K off the price of 165,000 miles.

tallkewlone

agreed,,,NADA prices are not for premium cars,, It took me 6 months to find this one, Lady was looking to buy a vette and needed to sell quick and I had cash in hand. It was also the middle of winter here in NH,, she was asking $16500 I did see one go on eBay a couple weeks ago with 1900 miles for 15K.. only one person bid. Have to figure shipping into that too..,

Firebrian

There's the 1900 mile car for $15K. Surprised there was only 1 bid, especially on a mint SOM car. This price is about $1K-$2K less than it would fetched in mid-2015. Either the winter sale extended well into April, or Camaro prices are a lot weaker this year.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Chevrolet-Camaro-35th-Anniversay-Edition-/252354362975?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3ac17dfe5f%3Ag%3AVi0AAOSw-RRXB-hE&item=252354362975&nma=true&si=qAMImNf5JRTwZZKX6KS46NcVOjo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Firebrian

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Cars-Trucks-...p2045573.m1684

A listing of sold Camaro's on Ebay that past 90 days. The week before than SOM car sold a 2002 SS M6 went for $15,950. That car had dual-dual perf exhaust + Bilstein too. Also a fairly strong $14K for a 1 owner, documented, black 1999 SS M6 with 10K miles. Then again, that was a dealer owned car that might not have actually sold (ie only one bidder above $8K). Also possible the bidder took it up alone to meet reserve at approx $14K.

tallkewlone

I had been watching them for a while and knew I had a good deal, mine was local too which can make a difference ,, shipping is between $450 to $1500 depending of course on location,mine is SOM , there was a red one in the area with 6m and 17k for around $14k, again in the middle of winter

Firebrian

You didn't mention earlier yours at $12K was SOM too! That's another $1K in your pocket imo. A 26K mile SOM SS for that kind of money was a great deal. Congrats.

What state are you from? It sounds like buyers should start staking out your region next winter!

Wiz02

I am starting the process to sell my 2002 Camaro SS, with 175K mi. Hardtop, auto, light pewter metallic, interior is natural with black "leather" seats (I have stock "leather" natural seats too)
I am the original owner, and have the birth certificate and other documentation from SLP.

Engine is unmolested except for an SLP CAI. Whole suspension was replaced with UMI front adjustable upper/lower control arms, rear lower control arms (roto joints), tie rods (inner and outer), C5 front brake conversion, strano sway bars front & rear. Recent repair - new plugs/wire and coils.

I ordered this car and picked it up Dec 31, 2001 and it has been my daily driver ever since. Garage kept, never been hit, but has road rash etc. All systems are in working order.

What do you think it's worth? I'm in Southeastern PA and NADA estimate is between $5600 and $6400. Fair Price? (Will include summer AFS chrome ZR1 5 spoke wheels and stockers with winter tires all with good tread).

Bonus points if anyone can tell me what a "non-original" mile is? Never understood the phrase XX,XXX orig miles. If the odometer turned over 100K in the good old days of 5 digit odometers, why would that make the mileage "non original"

Ls1Ryan2002

Automatics aren't a bad thing, the Ms6's are known to have some problems with them.

Firebrian

Non-original miles would be tampering with odometer, instrument panel, electronics, even up to changing out the engine/trans and concealing that fact. I wouldn't call a car that was pieced back together as having "original" miles since all the parts would have different miles on them.

Case in point. Bought a 22K "original" mile, original paint 1969 Plymouth GTX 440ci back in 1995. After a few months of ownership I was able to track down the original owner based on DMV records that gave me his name and address. They don't do that anymore though. When I called him I asked him how he kept the mileage down all those years. He then said he sold the car with about 75K miles in the mid-1980's to a major Auto Salvage yard that does business across the nation. I dug deeper and discovered the car's 2nd title was issued around 1988 from a different state - stating 16K miles. Those guys had the car a couple of years and rolled back the miles or changed out the instrument panel. They were able to do this because owner #1 signed over the title with no mileage written in. The new title looked picture perfect and kept the ruse going through half a dozen owners until I bought it in 1995. There was some clues on the car that should have triggered doubts along the way. The front driver's seat cushion having a wide rip in the center always bugged me. And I finally found out why. Some details in the engine bay and trunk also didn't quite fit with 22K miles....maybe more like 50K-75K.

The original owner said I was the 1st person to ever contact him about the car. Needless to say, those weren't 22K "original" miles any more and I sort of soured on the car knowing what had been done to it. The state AG's and DMV's don't really car about collector cars with rolled back miles. That's a civil court issue to them. I would think that they wouldn't care much about roll backs for collector cars that are now pre-2005.

JC316

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It would be around 10k in my market, most ask $7k for any M6 car under 200K. The KBB is a joke IMO. It has my 00 WS6 convertible at $5100. There is nowhere on this planet where that car brings that price, it just wont happen. NADA is closer at $8900.

Wiz02

Wow - Those are some high prices - i didn't that I would get that much for the vehicle given it's age.

Firebrian

These cars are worth serious money if their miles are kept low. It's reasonable to pay 50-75% of the original MSRP for very fine low mileage examples. And since these cars are now around 15 or more years old, their depreciation per year is nearing zero as long as they don't get driven (much). A 15K mile 1998 SS will always be worth a $10K-$12K base. These are 345 hp cars that are not all that far from the base level V8 performance cars costing $30K-$35K new today. If you want factory 350 hp or more it's gonna cost a certain amount no matter what era the car is from. And I don't think that $ entry level is going to drop any from here. A 1969 Plymouth GTX with 375 gross hp (300 net) is $25K-$35K today in very fine condition. In 1996 I paid $14K for a highly documented, original paint, 51K mile, red/white 1969 Super Bee 383 automatic with simple bench seat and column shift (275-300 factory net hp). It will never be that cheap again. Today's price is probably closer to $30K. Age is only one part of the equation...and often a small one.