About true synthetics?
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
About true synthetics? I've been doing ALOT of research on this topic and it's almost like a loophole .. but on to the question , I just want to get a fully 100% synthetic preferably 5w30 , I did some research into Amsoil that is what I want to go with but some places are saying its not real synthetic lol so I need some honest opinions not from ppl trying to make money.I am trying to build a consistent and reliable daily driver/track car.
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Was also considering using their new EA air filters also .. they claim to keep more dirt and flow more than a K&N .. soo I might try it out to see whats up.Anyone try their products and have any opinions? I was looking at their oil filter as well.
TECH Apprentice
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
Op, you're asking for "opinions", I don't have any on Amsoil, but I got this info from this website.
"AMSOIL synthetic motor oil is a pure synthetic motor oil that falls into the Group IV classification. AMSOIL synthetic motor oil uses a polyalphaolefins base stock. Group IV base stocks are much purer that the other groups giving it superior mechanical properties over a very wide temperature range. Group IV synthetic motor oils have a much improved viscosity index and require little to no viscosity improvers which are the most vulnerable to thermal and mechanical degradation over the life of the oil."
http://www.stokesabode.com/amsoil/
"AMSOIL synthetic motor oil is a pure synthetic motor oil that falls into the Group IV classification. AMSOIL synthetic motor oil uses a polyalphaolefins base stock. Group IV base stocks are much purer that the other groups giving it superior mechanical properties over a very wide temperature range. Group IV synthetic motor oils have a much improved viscosity index and require little to no viscosity improvers which are the most vulnerable to thermal and mechanical degradation over the life of the oil."
http://www.stokesabode.com/amsoil/
what is the definition of "synthetic" in regards to synthetic oil you think is correct? and compare that to the definition oil companies/marketers are using to sell the oil.
whatever the definition of synthetic, what are the benefits of that type of oil over other available oils? isn't that really why you want a "synthetic" oil? Do those benefits apply to you, such as cold flow improvement of synthetic- do you start your car in -20F weather? Do you run hotter oil temps? Do you know what your oil temperatures are?
Do you believe a synthetic oil will give you more power, or more fuel economy?
if it does, how does it do that? Are there conclusive tests showing an apples to apples comparison of that? And I don't mean tv commercials where the announcer says, "tests show...".
and there are certain conditions where conventional petroleum based oils are better than "synthetics" or PAO's.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...articleid=2021
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...?articleid=586
whatever the definition of synthetic, what are the benefits of that type of oil over other available oils? isn't that really why you want a "synthetic" oil? Do those benefits apply to you, such as cold flow improvement of synthetic- do you start your car in -20F weather? Do you run hotter oil temps? Do you know what your oil temperatures are?
Do you believe a synthetic oil will give you more power, or more fuel economy?
if it does, how does it do that? Are there conclusive tests showing an apples to apples comparison of that? And I don't mean tv commercials where the announcer says, "tests show...".
and there are certain conditions where conventional petroleum based oils are better than "synthetics" or PAO's.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...articleid=2021
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...?articleid=586
Last edited by 1 FMF; Jun 8, 2009 at 12:28 PM.
TECH Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 333
Likes: 0
From: Westbank of N.O.
Some may have noticed that ALL major oil brands have changed the formulation for auto oil, synthetic and non-syn alike. In the past they used things like lead, mercury and some other metals (yes, metal) in the blend, but these deposit themselves on the mesh in the convertor and ruin it in less than 100k mi. The feds say automakers have to warranty these things past 100k miles so the automakers have the oils re-formulated minus the heavy metals. The result? Emissions systems last 120+k miles, but the engines leak-down is twice as high at any given mileage. I would use the synthetic blend oil for deisel engines, such as the shell rotella, as that formula is un-changed. I don't even run cats.....................
I use 0w30 sso amsoil it's 100% syn it's a group 5 at least the sso 0w30. Like mobil 1 is a group 3 and a hydro process and is really not 100% syn. The amsoil sso use a amazing additive package.
Trending Topics
OP, have you looked on BITOG (Bob is the oil guy) website? BITOG is an excellent source for oil information including used oil analysis (UOA) results posted by members. You will likely find what you're looking for there.
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?
Pouria Savadkouei
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine
Verdad Gallardo
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built
Verdad Gallardo
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin
Verdad Gallardo
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
From the sticky posted above.
"This forum will be reserved for highly technical discussions involving performance engineering, design, theory, or mathematics".
Why is this BS oil post in this forum...
...it sure does not belong here.
"This forum will be reserved for highly technical discussions involving performance engineering, design, theory, or mathematics".
Why is this BS oil post in this forum...
...it sure does not belong here. 