Hydrogen powered car guide..pros n cons
05-09-2011, 10:10 PM
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Hydrogen powered car guide..pros n cons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-3aZV5Fjb4
Looks nice, but whats the real effect of burning hydrogen thru a gazoline engine instead of gaz?
I will test it for real...
http://www.hybridwaterpower.com/?hop=830903
Some kits on Ebay. Looks neat with the map sensor; http://cgi.ebay.com/Juicers-Hydrogen...#ht_5849wt_901 BUT I'm saying to myself this should be tuned on a dyno to monitor A/F ratio to be sure its safe for the engine. Plus I'm wondering if we should adjust timing and replace spark plugs too..
dyno sheet 5th image:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Hydrogen-Gener...t_12053wt_1135
Another thing is I dont think it would work with a Carburator, unless running a stand alone with a 'switch' mode between the Hydrogen and gaz.
Looks nice, but whats the real effect of burning hydrogen thru a gazoline engine instead of gaz?
I will test it for real...
http://www.hybridwaterpower.com/?hop=830903
Some kits on Ebay. Looks neat with the map sensor; http://cgi.ebay.com/Juicers-Hydrogen...#ht_5849wt_901 BUT I'm saying to myself this should be tuned on a dyno to monitor A/F ratio to be sure its safe for the engine. Plus I'm wondering if we should adjust timing and replace spark plugs too..
dyno sheet 5th image:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Hydrogen-Gener...t_12053wt_1135
Another thing is I dont think it would work with a Carburator, unless running a stand alone with a 'switch' mode between the Hydrogen and gaz.
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05-10-2011, 12:14 PM
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^Might be true, but is the hydrogen creating a better explosing than just gasoline?^ If its the case, it might be ok to produce the right amount with the right voltage to have the best mixture for a more efficient explosion. I'm pretty sure Hydrogen and gasoline doesnt burn the same way. So it might end up in more hp/tq..
I wish some hardcore LS1tech guys tested this already!!
I wish some hardcore LS1tech guys tested this already!!
05-11-2011, 10:32 AM
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^Might be true, but is the hydrogen creating a better explosing than just gasoline?^ If its the case, it might be ok to produce the right amount with the right voltage to have the best mixture for a more efficient explosion. I'm pretty sure Hydrogen and gasoline doesnt burn the same way. So it might end up in more hp/tq..
I wish some hardcore LS1tech guys tested this already!!
I wish some hardcore LS1tech guys tested this already!!
05-16-2011, 11:13 PM
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From first hand experience, it does work. 14 to 16 mpg on 84 2.8l v6 blazer 200k miles.
05-22-2011, 07:02 PM
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I go from 14 to 16MPG at random. Try again.
If you burn hydrogen slow enough you get negative cylinder
pressure. It likes high speed and high compression.
Modifying the combustion dynamics of the gasoline burn is a
whole different matter. Even stuff like swirl and spark intensity
have effect. But you're not running on swirl. And your HHO
setups are not "running on hydrogen".
If you burn hydrogen slow enough you get negative cylinder
pressure. It likes high speed and high compression.
Modifying the combustion dynamics of the gasoline burn is a
whole different matter. Even stuff like swirl and spark intensity
have effect. But you're not running on swirl. And your HHO
setups are not "running on hydrogen".
05-25-2011, 07:56 PM
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here are some good links to read. this does work but it needs alot of tweeking to get max mpg out of it. a dyno would be the best test for sure.
1.new energy ideas website. http://peswiki.com/index.php/News.
2.breakdown. http://pesn.com/2011/05/25/9501834_W...ency_Evidence/.
3.proof. http://www.eagle-research.com/erpdf/...oofs110316.pdf.
4.fred wells research. http://pesn.com/2011/05/08/9501829_F...Concept_Truck/.
1.new energy ideas website. http://peswiki.com/index.php/News.
2.breakdown. http://pesn.com/2011/05/25/9501834_W...ency_Evidence/.
3.proof. http://www.eagle-research.com/erpdf/...oofs110316.pdf.
4.fred wells research. http://pesn.com/2011/05/08/9501829_F...Concept_Truck/.
05-25-2011, 08:06 PM
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ethan we need to keep an open mind on all alternative forms of energy if you close your mind then you accept their rules and play their game. it sounds to me that your a little to quick to take the BLUE PILL. but i did notice you have exellent taste in cars though.
05-26-2011, 04:30 PM
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Also, the laws of thermodynamics stop this from holding true.. Your link that claims it doesn't is complete bullshit. Actually, half the **** on those links is either irrelevant or retarded.. Claiming that "combustion is a chemical process not a thermo on so the laws of thermodynamics don't apply" is completely wrong and not even something that should be disputed with this concept. Maybe you should learn something about physics before trying to defend a concept like this. A grasp on some knowledge of Stoichiometry might do you some good too. It really shouldn't be this hard for normal people to understand.. you CAN NOT get more energy out of an equation than you initially invest.. end of story.
05-26-2011, 08:36 PM
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man what was i thinking slimmy,swammy,swanny oh here it is... samsonite..man i was way off..glad you set me straight on that. i have no idea what 14.7:1 is but you might. and i highly doubt you read all that info and watched all the videos that claim that it works. i guess they are all liers and i must be very gullible to think that it would work.oh and i know alot about physics i can bench 405lbs. and i know that that is extremely physical. ever heard of cold fusion 300watts in 2.6kilowatts out. http://www.naturalnews.com/032455_co...ion_E-Cat.html. but i guess they are liars to. man im such a sucker.
05-28-2011, 02:39 AM
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Some of you guys trying to dispute the claims forget about the entire equation. For one, as most of you know, the efficiency of the combustion is far from 100%. Consider how much electricity is wasted from the alternater spinning while in idle and not charging the battery or even on hard acceleration or long highway usages? Well that extra power could be used to make more hydrogen for combustion. So what I'm trying to say is instead of thinking of it making extra power out of nothing, think of it as capturing wasted energy back.
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Some of you guys trying to dispute the claims forget about the entire equation. For one, as most of you know, the efficiency of the combustion is far from 100%. Consider how much electricity is wasted from the alternater spinning while in idle and not charging the battery or even on hard acceleration or long highway usages? Well that extra power could be used to make more hydrogen for combustion. So what I'm trying to say is instead of thinking of it making extra power out of nothing, think of it as capturing wasted energy back.
You are not "capturing wasted energy". You're taking prime shaft power
(after inefficiency) and using it to run a very energy inefficient process
(electrolysis) in the hope of getting better than breakeven. But you can't.
And you won't.
Your alternator doesn't waste much shaft power, and when you draw
current your shaft load is what supplies it. Ain't nothing free. And conversely
your parasitic drag can't turn into power just because you hook a cell to it.
Call it the Barnumtron.
05-29-2011, 08:03 PM
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ever heard of cold fusion 300watts in 2.6kilowatts out. http://www.naturalnews.com/032455_co...ion_E-Cat.html. but i guess they are liars to. man im such a sucker.
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion#Explanations
if you read any of this, you will realize why you are retarded for mentioning cold fusion.. Just because you read one website that claims something is possible, or true in any aspect, that doesn't magically make the ones that say it isn't possible disappear..
05-29-2011, 09:47 PM
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You are not "capturing wasted energy". You're taking prime shaft power
(after inefficiency) and using it to run a very energy inefficient process
(electrolysis) in the hope of getting better than breakeven. But you can't.
And you won't.
Your alternator doesn't waste much shaft power, and when you draw
current your shaft load is what supplies it. Ain't nothing free. And conversely
your parasitic drag can't turn into power just because you hook a cell to it.
Call it the Barnumtron.
(after inefficiency) and using it to run a very energy inefficient process
(electrolysis) in the hope of getting better than breakeven. But you can't.
And you won't.
Your alternator doesn't waste much shaft power, and when you draw
current your shaft load is what supplies it. Ain't nothing free. And conversely
your parasitic drag can't turn into power just because you hook a cell to it.
Call it the Barnumtron.
What if you had those recharging brakes like the prius or whatever and instead of having a huge expensive and heavy batter and electric motor, it just made hydrogen to use as a fuel?
Edit: also not to mention making oxygen "H2O" Wonder if this would help an N/A motor more so in high altitude areas?
05-31-2011, 10:23 AM
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What if you had those recharging brakes like the prius or whatever and instead of having a huge expensive and heavy batter and electric motor, it just made hydrogen to use as a fuel?
Edit: also not to mention making oxygen "H2O" Wonder if this would help an N/A motor more so in high altitude areas?
Edit: also not to mention making oxygen "H2O" Wonder if this would help an N/A motor more so in high altitude areas?
05-31-2011, 09:51 PM
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i think this is the way to go.nasa uses it but frozen, i once thought e-85 was the route until i read more into it and now that i see ethanol at the station ,its as much as pumped gas.im going to make a kit and also make it efficient so it does not waste alot of battery life and needs alot of electricity.
06-01-2011, 07:41 AM
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i think this is the way to go.nasa uses it but frozen, i once thought e-85 was the route until i read more into it and now that i see ethanol at the station ,its as much as pumped gas.im going to make a kit and also make it efficient so it does not waste alot of battery life and needs alot of electricity.