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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 11:12 AM
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The firehawk hood's extractors have a lip in front of them that looks like it would create a low pressure area around the opening that would suck air out when the car is moving.
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 11:54 AM
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holy fawk
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Old Nov 24, 2006 | 12:53 AM
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Do you plan to put the coils back on the valve covers or do you plan on relocating them? Looks like they would be a little close on the valve covers.
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Old Nov 25, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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The coil packs are going back on. It doesn't look they will be a problem.
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Rod
Update.

I went to SEMA, and the guys who build Higgin's intake were there. They have intakes for almost anything you can imagine. I have lots of pics

I found out that Sam is also doing his own ITB manifold now. Its a cast unit with lots of neat features. I don't have pics yet. But I hear its pretty slick.
who is this sam guy? Can I get some contact info or a web page?
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1408cp
who is this sam guy? Can I get some contact info or a web page?
Sam has a performance shop in Australia as well. Seems like the only people interested in making these manifolds for an average price are across the seas.
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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I wonder what sams looks like and the cost?
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Old Nov 26, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 30thta436
The coil packs are going back on. It doesn't look they will be a problem.
Sounds good keep us updated.
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Old Nov 27, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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This is my favorite thread. I just hate how I, personally, can't in any way justify the cost since I love every aspect of these intakes, and would love to have a reason to get a cowl hood for my Camaro.

30thta436, thanks for the updates, and for making them in this thread for those of us who are subsribed. Any pics of the whole car just for us to drool over?
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FieroZ34
Probably.

I am into mine about $1400, and it is not nearly complete, and is for a V6. This thing better add more power than a GT35r, because it's costing just as much. .
No way will an NA intake manifold add as much as a turbo
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 09:48 AM
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Why not just use this filter solution?

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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tmoneyr007
Why not just use this filter solution?


There are several post in the last 5 pages with explaination to your question.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GrannySShifting
No way will an NA intake manifold add as much as a turbo
No $hit? You're genius.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Big-DEN
QUestion when car is moving, do air want to move "in" the "heat extractor vents or "out".

I believe you when the car is setting still that radiator fan air is going to want to push air out.

When the car is moving is it lower pressure under the hood than "outside" and air wants to go "in" the vents. Or is it higher pressure under the hood than "outside" and air wants to go "out" of the vents.
Some F-body road racers have tested this and found that the base of the windshield is indeed a high pressure area. They also beat on their cars for ~20-30mins straight and needed a way to keep the cars cool, so they started making elaborate ways of getting more air over the radiator, then they ran into the problem of having to get the air from under the hood just as fast as they were getting it in so they stated making heat extractors in the hood, but they placed em right behind the radiator. That being said I think the effectiveness of the hood depends on how close the vents are or if they are acually in that high pressure area.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TAQuickness
There are several post in the last 5 pages with explaination to your question.
I just know that in motorcycle applications with ITB it is VERY bad to put a filter directly on top of the TB. It greatly restrics the amount of air that the engine can "gulp" on instant throttle. You want a majority of filtered air that is available upon throttle. Again it all goes back to application. On a road race car you would want a good amount of filtered air available like on the Carbonfiber C5R airbox. This fitler solution would probably work best on a High RPM drag car.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tmoneyr007
I just know that in motorcycle applications with ITB it is VERY bad to put a filter directly on top of the TB. It greatly restrics the amount of air that the engine can "gulp" on instant throttle. You want a majority of filtered air that is available upon throttle. Again it all goes back to application. On a road race car you would want a good amount of filtered air available like on the Carbonfiber C5R airbox. This fitler solution would probably work best on a High RPM drag car.
Having the "boxed in" air box is the better way to go, but the air box pictured is horrible. It knocks the power WAY back as compared to open blades. And I don't believe it will fit in our chasis. Having the filter on the body shouldn't be a problem as long as the filter used is sufficent to feed the cylinder. Placing a very small filter on it could be a potential problem, but hopefully a larger one won't be. I'm waiting to see how much room I have before I go buying anything. If I have enough room to build a "box", I will.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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An air box for an ITB setup needs to be big so that the airflow is smooth and plentiful. And the trumpet should stand higher than the base of the box so that the waves "Helmholtz resonance frequency" dont bounce off the lower part of the box and disturb the airflow.
As an example lets look at the M3 intake, its only a 3.2L motor but comes with ITB's from factory and revs up to 8k rpms.



Note how the trumpets are elevated from the base of the box.

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Old Dec 11, 2006 | 02:15 PM
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Some updates. we have spent at least 20 hours on this intake. It is not a easy bolt on intake. I'm currently adjusting the linkage ( ). Hopefully I will have some video of it at idle later tonight. After I'm done in a couple of days i will make a right up on some things that I had to overcome. But here is some more pics for now.







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Old Dec 11, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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Damn, that looks nice. Is that your garage?

What was such a pain in the *** about it? What all required minor tweaking besides the throttle linkage? Was the main problem with your filtering system or something else?
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Old Dec 11, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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The heat extractor hoods do work and they work great.

If there is a pressurized pocket at the base of the windsheild of the fourth gens it is overcome by the pressurized air flow out of the engine bay with a rear cowl exit design. The older F bodys had a pressurized pocket but also had mutch less rake to the windsheild. the introduction of the Super scoop on the 69 Camaro first made use of this but it was also a sealed envoronment. The breather was sealed to the hood and the hood was sealed to the cowl with a flapper valve that would open at full throttle. If the breather and flapper valve at the rear of the hood were removed the pressurized pocket was overcome by the release of the trapped air from the engine bay. I think the increased air flow through the radiator and/or intercooler along with lower engine operating temps is the bigger advantage. My Procharged SS saw a noticable drop in engine operating temp with the rear cowl screen and wipers removed, im sure the intake air temps also reflected the extra air flow.
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